Michael Jordans performance in the 93' Finals against Phoenix was :merchant:
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…but you keep shyttin’ on ‘em like they weren’t a credible adversary or worthy of praise 20 years later as a legit NBA Finals threat. It’s established that they were deficient defensively, yes…but you goin’ in callin’ ‘em “overrated” is a bit much, and then to say this:You're right. Chasing around Dan Majrele was going to hurt Jordan's offensive output.
You can’t be “overrated” and be the top offensive team in the league, which they were that year (also, an "overrated" team doesn't participate in one of the most thrilling NBA Finals series of all time, which this also was).
So what…because they were average to below-average defensively they were OVERALL overrated? You're saying their defensive shortcomings OUTWEIGHT their offensive mastery, is that it?
Their defensive shortcomings couldn't have affected them THAT much, hell, they made the Finals.
Offensively not only did those Suns lead the league in PPG that season, they were also tops or near the top of the league in 3-point shooting (made, attempted and 3-pt FG%), free throws and assists (they were also ranked 6th in total rebounds (6th defensively) and ranked 9th in steals).
There’s a reason the Suns pushed the Bulls the hardest of any team in any of MJ’s six title teams.
Nobody is sayin’ these dudes were the damn Dream Team…but for crying out loud, you’re trying to tell me a team with that type of offensive proficiency isn’t a legit threat in an NBA Finals series such that you gon’ continue to call the “overrated”?
Come on, B…..
I'm sure some players now can score 41ppg with no zone and no illegal defense
Marvel
Psalm 149:5-9
That had so many players
back in the day. A lot of these young bucks don't know about illegal defense but will act like they know about the 80s and 90s NBA 
havoc
Superstar
Same people hating on Jordan's 1993 NBA Finals performance against The Suns, because their backcourt couldnt stop Jordan
Which one is it?
Shaq dealt with his competition in the Western Playoffs and succeed. I gave him his props for dominating the front-line and for holding his own against prominent players on the C/PF positions. However, I saw some of the games of 1993 NBA finals I can't help myself from acknowledging how poorly the Sun's backcourt matchup with the Bulls' backcourt. Go ahead and look at some of the videos and will see that Kevin Johnson was at disadvantage when MJ post against him..
poor KJ is 5 inch shorter than MJ, and Danny Ainge was a liability on defense, and Thunder Dan, smdh, he was a good player , but he wasn't quick enough to keep up with MJ. The Sun's perimeter defense was the easiest defense that Jordan ever dominated in the Finals. Defensively the Sun wasn't a good defensive team. at all these "if/woulda/coulda/shoulda" ass nikkas. Damn, y'all hate MJ THAT much? 
Breh, you over there talmbout some imaginary, made up, Marvel Comics "What If" Series, NBA2K fantasy league type shyt....e.g., making a PURELY conjectural argument that could not possibly be proven EVER.
nikka we talkin' about what actually DID happen, in REAL LIFE: 41/8.5/6.3
That's TANGIBLE shyt. That ACTUALLY took place. History recorded it.
Accordingly, you have no leg to stand on in the argument with that suppositional bullshyt, and the very presumptive nature of your claim belies the hate in your blood.
Do you, though....
You went to OSU
And he was nice
I went to the U of Akron.
I'm from Cleveland and we used to follow Jamar Butler when he was in HS killing shyt.
He was our Mr. Basketball in 2004 I believe and he had put up like 33 pts, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, and 3 steals a game in HS.
I could've swore he had next (like I could've swore the same for Damon Stringer), but it wasnt to be
I
If only stringer wasn't a fukk up
I'm still surprised Butler never really for a shot in the league
Excellent 3point shooter and defender. Low assist to turnover ratio
He didn't have kyrie athleticism but I seen plenty of slower pgs
Akron is a good school
I had a cousin that recently went there:shake:
I went to the U of Akron.
I'm from Cleveland and we used to follow Jamar Butler when he was in HS killing shyt.
He was our Mr. Basketball in 2004 I believe and he had put up like 33 pts, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, and 3 steals a game in HS.
I could've swore he had next (like I could've swore the same for Damon Stringer), but it wasnt to be
If only stringer wasn't a fukk up
I'm still surprised Butler never really for a shot in the league
Excellent 3point shooter and defender. Low assist to turnover ratio He didn't have kyrie athleticism but I seen plenty of slower pgsAkron is a good school
I had a cousin that recently went there:shake:
You can’t be “overrated” and be the top offensive team in the league, which they were that year (also, an "overrated" team doesn't participate in one of the most thrilling NBA Finals series of all time, which this also was).
So what…because they were average to below-average defensively they were OVERALL overrated? You're saying their defensive shortcomings OUTWEIGHT their offensive mastery, is that it?
Their defensive shortcomings couldn't have affected them THAT much, hell, they made the Finals.
Offensively not only did those Suns lead the league in PPG that season, they were also tops or near the top of the league in 3-point shooting (made, attempted and 3-pt FG%), free throws and assists (they were also ranked 6th in total rebounds (6th defensively) and ranked 9th in steals).
There’s a reason the Suns pushed the Bulls the hardest of any team in any of MJ’s six title teams.
Nobody is sayin’ these dudes were the damn Dream Team…but for crying out loud, you’re trying to tell me a team with that type of offensive proficiency isn’t a legit threat in an NBA Finals series such that you gon’ continue to call the “overrated”?
Come on, B…..
the suns also took the nba champion rockets team to 7 games the following 2 seasons.
its debatable to me whether they pushed them the hardest though..as far as finals teams you could make the argument for the 97 and 98 jazz. they were BOTH one shot away from going 7 games.. just like the 93 finals..and the suns lost the first 2 games AT HOME...
also can't forget that 98 pacers squad though....all but one game was close(compared to the 92 knicks team that went 7 but games werent cloes)
That Suns team was absolutely a great team when they were hitting on all cylinders, but they were so lacking in focus for long stretches that it was maddening. Barkley was my favorite player so I kept a close eye on that team, and they overwhelmed the league on sheer talent. seriously, the amount of firepower and versatility on that squad was absurd. But they needed more than just a few dubious calls to beat that weak ass Lakers team and then the Sonics. Phoenix got so many calls in that game 7 vs. Seattle that I felt weird even though my favorite player won.
That being said... Barkley was going hard as fukk against the Bulls, and KJ did have some relatively effective stretches D'ing MJ, but the Suns point blank choked away game 6. Not sayong they would've had a 50-50 shot in game 7, but they damn sure should've played a game 7.
If you were a fan of any other great player during that era, MJ was infuriatingly great. I don't understand why people even bother making arguments that current players are equal to that man. And I say that as someone who finds MJ loathesome.
That being said... Barkley was going hard as fukk against the Bulls, and KJ did have some relatively effective stretches D'ing MJ, but the Suns point blank choked away game 6. Not sayong they would've had a 50-50 shot in game 7, but they damn sure should've played a game 7.
If you were a fan of any other great player during that era, MJ was infuriatingly great. I don't understand why people even bother making arguments that current players are equal to that man. And I say that as someone who finds MJ loathesome.
Born2BKing
Veteran
I have no doubt MJ would have won 8 consecutive titles had he not retired briefly. Just think about that for a second.
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
He might have and probably would have but I don't know how the Bulls were gonna stop Hakeem.
Bill Cartwright/Will Purdue/Stacey King guarding Dream would've gotten ugly fast
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Hakeem would've gotten his numbers...for sure.
But the Bulls were way deeper than the Rockets. The Rockets didnt have a player that could even think of containing Jordan
Plus, a Prime Scottie Pippen/Horace Grant/Toni Kukoc/Steve Kerr and BJ Armstrong at the 3pt line all waiting for them
But the Bulls were way deeper than the Rockets. The Rockets didnt have a player that could even think of containing Jordan
Plus, a Prime Scottie Pippen/Horace Grant/Toni Kukoc/Steve Kerr and BJ Armstrong at the 3pt line all waiting for them
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
I guess playing physical teams in the 90's didn't cause fatigue...
MJ grew playing the Bad Boys breh, he was pretty used to it by then...
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
Hakeem would've gotten his numbers...for sure.
But the Bulls were way deeper than the Rockets. The Rockets didnt have a player that could even think of containing Jordan
Plus, a Prime Scottie Pippen/Horace Grant/Toni Kukoc/Steve Kerr and BJ Armstrong at the 3pt line all waiting for them
I could definitely see Chicago's talent eventually winning out. But Hakeem, the Rockets defense, Clyde and all those shooters (Cassell, Kenny, Mad Max, Horry) would've made it tough though. MJ and Hakeem probably would've canceled each other out.
Seeing MJ go against Mad Max in the Finals would've been great. LMAO Vernon Maxwell stayed trying to fight Michael Jordan
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