"Middle Class" Blacks in the United States

[tru_m.a.c]

i have never been tied up to a back of a truck and drugged to my death....it still happened though

i have never pulled my wallet out and gotten shot 41 times......it still happened though

i was not in new orleans when thousands of black people were left without aid for days after a hurricane......it still happened though.

i was not pepper sprayed by white police officers and told "have your president come help you".........it still happened though

in even lamer terms, i have never been robbed a day in my life, but i know robbers still exist, i aint never been raped, but i know rapist still exist.

the whole premises is short sighted and "house negro" in basis as it can get.

so the answer to minimize the effects of racism is just move to a better neighborhood? wow, should have just sent that memo to all the people who fought in the 60's would have saved them a ton of hours in those marches.

if a group of people in the hood are getting discriminated against based on the color of they skin or even the class in which they economic situation dictates for them to live, then that is a shot towards me as well and i live in what is considered middle class, maybe even high class, and i still am ticked to see things going on based on us being a dark skinned people

tell that c00n to look at the twitter post following the election, im sure those racist white people were only sending those messages out to the people in the poverty stricken areas.

What're you talking about?

Wait, so you think his premise is that because an event didn't happen to him, it doesn't exist?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

This dude is full of shyt. First he wants to exaggerate black peoples feelings torward racism, saying we all walk around angry or scorned by it or victimized. Second he downplays the racism he has seen, making excuses for other people's ignorance. Third he speaks on less than middle class black people as they deserve the treatment they get. This dude is the definition of an Uncle Tom.

I have been black and middle class my entire life and I've experienced all the things he claims he hasn't. I've missed out on jobs, I've been harassed and beat by the police, I've had white people give me the when I tell them what my wife and I do for a living. White ladies cluth their purse, even when I'm out with my kids. I've been called a ****** on multiple occasions. If i shop in the white neighborhoods I either get ignored or followed.

And I still don't feel angry or victimized. I understand the cards I was delt and i play them accordingly.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

What're you talking about?

Wait, so you think his premise is that because an event didn't happen to him, it doesn't exist?

no not at all, it does however seems he is trivializing the effects of racism and attempting to down play the magnitude of it, based on his personal experiences.

it comes across as if he is trying stabilize what he believes is a over sensitivity of the race issue, when honestly he just being over zealous on defending the non existence of it, and basing his angle from his own personal experience.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Because then it puts the blame on someone who doesn't look like them

Crooked cops have nothing to do with a lot of the choices people make in these neighborhoods. But nobody wants to talk about that

I'd say institutional racism has nothing to do with a lot of the choices

its just that those who grow up in the hood don't have the safety net that others do when they get into trouble

Yeah, the point may need to be taken to another thread. It really all comes down to the percentages you assign. What percent of the population do you think is "living wrong to live right?" What percent of the population do you think is just plain old evil? Guestimate crime rates and its easy to see the bias in us all.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

I'd say institutional racism has nothing to do with a lot of the choices

its just that those who grow up in the hood don't have the safety net that others do when they get into trouble

Yeah, the point may need to be taken to another thread. It really all comes down to the percentages you assign. What percent of the population do you think is "living wrong to live right?" What percent of the population do you think is just plain old evil? Guestimate crime rates and its easy to see the bias in us all.

no, what it really says is those who are poverty stricken are made easier targets. and this fool is attempting to tell us how discrimination is self inflicted, when in fact poverty, poor school systems, lack of employment, are all things rooted in racism, and discrimination, and those who suffer at the hands of those things are only manifestations of those things. you cant say the choices they make warrants them racism when they themselves are in those conditions and mis guided and miseducated because of the racism in the first place.

from there you can start applying percentages. but any people placed in those circumstances of bad education, no jobs and discrimination will act out how those in the hood acted. history tells us exactly that.

 

[Serious]

What're you talking about?

Wait, so you think his premise is that because an event didn't happen to him, it doesn't exist?

Basically that's what he's trying to correlate.

In short, he's saying that middle class blacks experience far less racism, than those in less affluent urban areas. Thus, it must be non-existent once you reach a certain social class.(which I believe is b/s) He admits to experiencing subtle undertones and coming in contact with complete ignorance.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

no, what it really says is those who are poverty stricken are made easier targets. and this fool is attempting to tell us how discrimination is self inflicted, when in fact poverty, poor school systems, lack of employment, are all things rooted in racism, and discrimination, and those who suffer at the hands of those things are only manifestations of those things. you cant say the choices they make warrants them racism when they themselves are in those conditions and mis guided and miseducated because of the racism in the first place.

from there you can start applying percentages. but any people placed in those circumstances of bad education, no jobs and discrimination will act out how those in the hood acted. history tells us exactly that.

The fact that there is a range of different outcomes in the hood is reflective of the amount of choice there is. Yes there are systematic institutional failures, but if that's all it took to make someone a criminal then everyone in the hood would be a criminal

Basically that's what he's trying to correlate.

In short, he's saying that middle class blacks experience far less racism, than those in less affluent urban areas. Thus, it must be non-existent once you reach a certain social class.(which I believe is b/s) He admits to subtle undertones, and ignorance on the part of others.

I'm not sure he's saying the bolded. I think he is saying, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree, that as a black person, the lower you go down the socioeconomic ladder the worse you have it, which includes institutional racism. I think he and we could also agree that being poor and black comes with certain systematic detriments that are worse than being poor and white for example. The mistake he is saying is being made, is folks defining all black experience as the poor black experience, and then alienating anyone who disagrees/doesn't fit into that mold. If the black experience is defined by "the struggle", then anyone who isn't struggling is cut out of the discussion. And from what I can tell, this creates an insular culture of victimhood which is counterproductive to the kind of moves we need to be making.

 

[Brown_Pride]

i have never been tied up to a back of a truck and drugged to my death....it still happened though

i have never pulled my wallet out and gotten shot 41 times......it still happened though

i was not in new orleans when thousands of black people were left without aid for days after a hurricane......it still happened though.

i was not pepper sprayed by white police officers and told "have your president come help you".........it still happened though

in even lamer terms, i have never been robbed a day in my life, but i know robbers still exist, i aint never been raped, but i know rapist still exist.

the whole premises is short sighted and "house negro" in basis as it can get.

so the answer to minimize the effects of racism is just move to a better neighborhood? wow, should have just sent that memo to all the people who fought in the 60's would have saved them a ton of hours in those marches.

if a group of people in the hood are getting discriminated against based on the color of they skin or even the class in which they economic situation dictates for them to live, then that is a shot towards me as well and i live in what is considered middle class, maybe even high class, and i still am ticked to see things going on based on us being a dark skinned people

tell that c00n to look at the twitter post following the election, im sure those racist white people were only sending those messages out to the people in the poverty stricken areas.

The article's author must be Egyptian...cause he's living in Da Nile. ...

any how, Cornercom saying it best. Simply because you don't personally experience certain things doesn't mean they don't exist. The Author's...we'll call him...Tom... personal experience doesn't mean shyt outside of his own little world. Can't hate that he was able to dodge racism and kick it with cops like nothing but the fact of the matter is there are some shyt cops and even shyttier people out there.

Reminds me of a time when my wife got lost in central phoenix, she's from New Mexico. She pulled over to call me for directions and some pigs came up on her all crazy like while I was on the phone with her. We'd just got her a new Mustang at the time so they were "suspicious". 45 minutes later and after basically telling my wife she was a prostitute they finally let her go. Oh did I raise hell, the two cops wrote letters of apologies to her...3 months later and a shyt ton of me being pissed.

I personally can recount at least a dozen times being either pulled over, followed in stores or otherwise being the subject of racism.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

no not at all, it does however seems he is trivializing the effects of racism and attempting to down play the magnitude of it, based on his personal experiences.

it comes across as if he is trying stabilize what he believes is a over sensitivity of the race issue, when honestly he just being over zealous on defending the non existence of it, and basing his angle from his own personal experience.

Eh....

He lays out the entire meaning of the piece when he says, "I consider my life's experience a conclusive case against the idea that to be black and middle class is to live with white abuse as an everyday threat."

The key part of that sentence is "an everyday threat." If its an everyday threat, it's something you become accustomed to. I think he's simply saying there definitely is a subset population that does not have those experiences.

Its important to note this, because the experience plays multiple ways:
- ppl being shocked at lets say Obama for not championing the black racial conflict
- blacks calling other blacks uncle toms because they're not as responsive to issues of race

If I were a political organizer, I'd need to know this in order to build a successful campaign. What if in your community, 80% of the middle class blacks felt this way? What if it was the total opposite? I think the major lesson here is don't attach absolute generalizations to a population. There's a reason why the black unemployment rate is at 13%+ and most middle class blacks are like "its hard out here for everyone"

 

[boskey]

People giving dude the gas face realize this: Herman Cain and Condoleeza Rice grew up in the deep south, Memphis and Birmingham Alabama during the 50's 60's and 70's. And they ended up less "racialized" than most of the kids I met in college who grew up "safe" watching A Different World and Living Single.

One of my best homies is Haitian and grew up in 90% white straight up suburbia. I met his brother, and he had locs to his back and talked like the 3rd member of dead prez. Not to mention all the militant mixed chicks I met who could just as easily be Puerto Rican or something...

Point being: There are many "black" experiences and its harmful if we try to force everyone to share the same feelings...even during slavery there were many different experiences (house vs. field, creoles, mulattoes, freemen). And a large part of your perspective is based on your own personality and own movements.

And I agree when I see a black republican or a white washed negro I look at them like "Don't you see what they're doing" . But at the same time "progress" is only going to happen when we get past fighting whitey and start building ourselves up...a lot of folks think those 2 things are the same but thats hustling backwards.

 

[Serious]

Sounds like this guy wrote this shyt

Nah it's this guy: John Mcwhorter

and the name of the article is:
Middle-Class Blacks Are Not Discriminated Against in the United States


Maybe he's isn't that big of a c00n after all:

McWhorter characterizes himself as "a cranky liberal Democrat". In support of this description, he states that while he "disagree sustainedly with many of the tenets of the Civil Rights orthodoxy, " he also "supports Barack Obama, reviles the War on Drugs, supports gay marriage, never voted for George Bush and writes of Black English as coherent speech". McWhorter additionally notes that the conservative Manhattan Institute, for which he has worked, "has always been hospitable to Democrats

John McWhorter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MeachTheMonster]

People giving dude the gas face realize this: Herman Cain and Condoleeza Rice grew up in the deep south, Memphis and Birmingham Alabama during the 50's 60's and 70's. And they ended up less "racialized" than most of the kids I met in college who grew up "safe" watching A Different World and Living Single.

One of my best homies is Haitian and grew up in 90% white straight up suburbia. I met his brother, and he had locs to his back and talked like the 3rd member of dead prez. Not to mention all the militant mixed chicks I met who could just as easily be Puerto Rican or something...

Point being: There are many "black" experiences and its harmful if we try to force everyone to share the same feelings...even during slavery there were many different experiences (house vs. field, creoles, mulattoes, freemen). And a large part of your perspective is based on your own personality and own movements.

And I agree when I see a black republican or a white washed negro I look at them like "Don't you see what they're doing" . But at the same time "progress" is only going to happen when we get past fighting whitey and start building ourselves up...a lot of folks think those 2 things are the same but thats hustling backwards.

I understand that people have different experiences, but in writing this article he assumes that those of us that have felt racism, all feel a certain way about it, or react to it in a certain way. He's taking the most extreme of reactions and attributing it to all of us that disagree with him. Then he's downlaying the racism he has experienced, and speaking as if poor black people deserve the racist treatment they get.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I understand that people have different experiences, but in writing this article he assumes that those of us that have felt racism, all feel a certain way about it, or react to it in a certain way.

Please directly quote from the article

 

[Non Sequitur]

From I've experienced, Nobody likes black people. Not mexicans, not white people, not Asians.
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Shut the fukk up.

 

[Non Sequitur]

@Serious


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