Migration in Europe / Europe Refugees crisis

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other countries are basically on the hook. the nordic countries and germany are largely the ones accepting these people and giving them money to start their new lives, but they didn't engage in the middle east fukkery. the countries that like to strut around aren't really bearing the costs.
I'm saying that the neocon element grows from fears of having to integrate. This is happening in all european countries
 

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I'm saying that the neocon element grows from fears of having to integrate. This is happening in all european countries
when i say neocon i'm talking about the warmongers, your dikk cheneys of the world. not about europe's lurch to the far right due to an increasing amount of foreigners. there was only a financial consequence for our iraq adventures. if suddenly we had to integrate a million iraqi refugees because of said adventure people wouldn't talk so reckless about war in the middle east.
 

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when i say neocon i'm talking about the warmongers, your dikk cheneys of the world. not about europe's lurch to the far right due to an increasing amount of foreigners. there was only a financial consequence for our iraq adventures. if suddenly we had to integrate a million iraqi refugees because of said adventure people wouldn't talk so reckless about war in the middle east.

Yes they would. shyt they'd make a border of dead refugee bodies instead of building a concrete wall.
 

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then you're not understanding my point. if you kill the refugees then you aren't welcoming them to your country. obviously america can't be forced to take in a million iraqis, it was just an out loud thought. if a million iraqis suddenly had the right (due to some international treaty on refugees) to move to america then foreign adventures that risked millions of refugees coming to your country legally and joining your workforce and being eligible for welfare benefits. suddenly your america fukk yeah types would be like "you know, we need to mind our own business because invading has dire consequences for the american working man."
 

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then you're not understanding my point. if you kill the refugees then you aren't welcoming them to your country. obviously america can't be forced to take in a million iraqis, it was just an out loud thought. if a million iraqis suddenly had the right (due to some international treaty on refugees) to move to america then foreign adventures that risked millions of refugees coming to your country legally and joining your workforce and being eligible for welfare benefits. suddenly your america fukk yeah types would be like "you know, we need to mind our own business because invading has dire consequences for the american working man."

And I'm telling you no that would not keep them from fighting wars. They would still fight the wars and kick refugees to the curb. Your hypothetical situation isn't hypothetical. It's what happened in South America. Many immigrants from central/south america and the Caribbean between from the 70s-90s were escaping war torn countries. Many undocumented workers RIGHT NOW are coming to america for asylum.

Conservatives do not care about the poor and huddled masses.....
 

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And I'm telling you no that would not keep them from fighting wars. They would still fight the wars and kick refugees to the curb. Your hypothetical situation isn't hypothetical. It's what happened in South America. Many immigrants from central/south america and the Caribbean between from the 70s-90s were escaping war torn countries. Many undocumented workers RIGHT NOW are coming to america for asylum.

Conservatives do not care about the poor and huddled masses.....
they don't care because you don't have to let them in. it's a country's prerogative regarding refugee policy. my point from the beginning was IF countries HAD to take these people in the attitude to foreign adventures would be different. the U.S. has been rejecting asylum applications for people that helped them in iraq as translators, etc and have targets on their back because they helped america. remove the ability to reject and suddenly things are a bit different. my initial post wasn't about something that exists today or will ever exist, it was about how i wish it was.
 

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they don't care because you don't have to let them in. it's a country's prerogative regarding refugee policy. my point from the beginning was IF countries HAD to take these people in the attitude to foreign adventures would be different. the U.S. has been rejecting asylum applications for people that helped them in iraq as translators, etc and have targets on their back because they helped america. remove the ability to reject and suddenly things are a bit different. my initial post wasn't about something that exists today or will ever exist, it was about how i wish it was.

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Martin O'Malley: U.S. Should Take In 65,000 Syrian Refugees
“Americans are a generous and compassionate people,” he said. “But today our policies are falling short of those values.”

Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, a 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, has called on the United States to absorb at least 65,000 Syrian refugees by the end of 2016. O’Malley’s remarks on Friday represent the strongest proposal on the matter to date from a national political figure.

“Americans are a generous and compassionate people,” O’Malley said in a statement. “But today our policies are falling short of those values.” The State Department has said it plans to grant asylum to 5,000 to 8,000 refugees in fiscal year 2016 -- an amount O’Malley said is not enough.

“I support the call from humanitarian and refugee organizations for the United States to accept at least 65,000 Syrian refugees next year,” O’Malley said. “If Germany – a country with one-fourth our population – can accept 800,000 refugees this year, certainly we – the nation of immigrants and refugees – can do more."

Europe is dealing with an unprecedented influx of migrants, which has prompted a political crisis as governments struggle to accommodate the new arrivals. From January to August alone, 350,000 people have been documented crossing into Europe -- and many more are thought to have entered undetected.

The largest group of migrants are refugees from Syria, where the civil war has created 4 million refugees and displaced an additional 7.6 million people internally.

This week, images of Aylan Kurdi, the Syrian boy who drowned trying to get to Europe, and of a Syrian family laying on railroad tracks in Hungary in order to stay in the country, shocked the global conscience.

O’Malley said that the tragic images must move Americans to act. “As Europe is becoming increasingly aware, we are not immune from the injustices and tragedies that unfold outside our borders,” he said.
 

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Syrian Migrants taken by Iran: ~0
Syrian Migrants taken by Gulf States: ~0

No one notices this? Why does Europe have to be the savior, especially when this war has been a proxy war between Iran and the Saudis.
They are fueling the war. Seems only fair.
 
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