military brehs, if Trump ordered y'all to fire on US citizens, what you doing

[MoshpitMazi]

As a former contractor working in black ops....I would do it in a heartbeat if they were criminals

"Black ops" you sound like a goofball

 

[LeVraiPapi]

Fire on them or get fired on.

Federal government is enforcing immigration laws to protect our nation and anyone standing in the way of that gets the traitor treatment.

You see ? This is where we are right now.

 

[tuckgod]

You see ? This is where we are right now.

You can always go home and deal with Barbeque and them.

 

[987654321]

Still got a lot of friends still in across multiple branches. They still say no. At the end of the day they still have to go home to their own families. And deal with the backlash. If anybody shoots in that kind of situation they wanted to do it, uniform or not.

There’s a lot of FAGA that talk tough but have no bodies (plenty here that have never hurt a cac in their life and never will). They fold or get folded by their peers when things get real.

 

[Diunx]

They will all obey even if they say otherwise here.

Thats the point of the brain washing they put them through

 

[987654321]

They will all obey even if they say otherwise here.

Thats the point of the brain washing they put them through

Starship troopers isn’t reality.

 

[CopiousX]

Still got a lot of friends still in across multiple branches. They still say no. At the end of the day they still have to go home to their own families. And deal with the backlash. If anybody shoots in that kind of situation they wanted to do it, uniform or not.

There’s a lot of FAGA that talk tough but have no bodies (plenty here that have never hurt a cac in their life and never will). They fold or get folded by their peers when things get real.

Have you considered the internal ramifications of an administration that would order you to fire on civilians? I doubt you'd be given a choice of returning home after refusal.


If America ever got to that point, it's highly likely you would be fired upon if you didn't execute the order. I doubt the lives of soldiers would be treated any better than civilians. It was a similar playbook in Nazi Germany, USSR, mao's China, idi amin's Uganda and the various military dictatorships of South East Asia .


I think the line of morality becomes a lot more murky when your own life is at stake. It's very likely that the people with families to return to would be the first ones firing at the crowd.

 

[987654321]

Our EOF or ROE

Escalation of force

Rules of engagement


Is much tougher than the damn police

If you have a negligent discharge

(Expending a round out of your weapon not shooting at the enemy or just stupid actions)

You get in trouble no if ands or buts



If you shoot a warning shot over seas in a combat zone you need a reason

Which is wild because cops can shoot to kill here and go get a burger after

My platoon had to sit through an ISAF investigation, that was initiated due to warning shots trying to avoid killing (lead gunner still killed them because they had no business doing WTF they did). Our battalion commander recommended the whole thing over warning shots and we had to watch ourselves be ambiguously dragged through the mud.

Luckily between us, the locals, and Afghan police, there were so many eyes the actions and results were undeniable. We still kicked the shooter out of our platoon because he joked about it privately smh. He got stuck doing shyt that kept him away from dealing with people until he was chaptered.

It’s so fukking stupid that we were penalized for warning shots in situation where there’s no other option to warn somebody to stop doing something crazy and dangerous. The pen flares just made shyt worse. The signs didn’t work because the population couldn’t read like that. It was incredibly frustrating. People just stopped reporting warning shots, or carried extra interpreters to scream through bullhorns and shyt. If we asked the local police to convoy with us, they’d just beat up locals for no reason then give a thumbs up like we’re supposed to high five them over that shyt smh.

I also once had an opportunity to legally shoot local in the face for doing something crazy that seriously put me at risk while I was treating a gun shot patient. I gave him the benefit of a doubt, because there was so much going on. And it was reasonable to be scared and panic a little bit.

There’s been countless times where we would have been legally “justified” in shooting over some bullshyt. But everybody in our task force was careful to remember that we were dealing with humans just like us. That shyt went a long way with the locals in our AO.

 

[Silver Surfer]

 

[Silver Surfer]

How do you distinguish criminals from non criminals

Hair color

 

[ajnapoleon]

My platoon had to sit through an ISAF investigation, that was initiated due to warning shots trying to avoid killing (lead gunner still killed them because they had no business doing WTF they did). Our battalion commander recommended the whole thing over warning shots and we had to watch ourselves be ambiguously dragged through the mud.

Luckily between us, the locals, and Afghan police, there were so many eyes the actions and results were undeniable. We still kicked the shooter out of our platoon because he joked about it privately smh. He got stuck doing shyt that kept him away from dealing with people until he was chaptered.

It’s so fukking stupid that we were penalized for warning shots in situation where there’s no other option to warn somebody to stop doing something crazy and dangerous. The pen flares just made shyt worse. The signs didn’t work because the population couldn’t read like that. It was incredibly frustrating. People just stopped reporting warning shots, or carried extra interpreters to scream through bullhorns and shyt. If we asked the local police to convoy with us, they’d just beat up locals for no reason then give a thumbs up like we’re supposed to high five them over that shyt smh.

I also once had an opportunity to legally shoot local in the face for doing something crazy that seriously put me at risk while I was treating a gun shot patient. I gave him the benefit of a doubt, because there was so much going on. And it was reasonable to be scared and panic a little bit.

There’s been countless times where we would have been legally “justified” in shooting over some bullshyt. But everybody in our task force was careful to remember that we were dealing with humans just like us. That shyt went a long way with the locals in our AO.

We was leaving Baghdad and the incoming unit wanted a NCO from the out going company to ride out with them


Before I continue I was SGT (P) at the time

It was a convoy of SFC a MSG and few SSG

We pulled in somewhere jumped out the trucks to clear weapons


Why a SFC had a ND


Why was I called in the where 1sgt asking me why I let that happen


I was in the last truck that shyt happened in the 2nd truck a convoy of 8


He said “you was supposed to get out my truck to watch all the clearing


I said BS that’s was not in the SOP

I’m not signing shyt!!

 

[Digital Omen]

We got beat over the head in boot camp and beyond about the UCMJ and unlawful orders and bla bla bla
meanwhile, disobeying orders from your CO is grounds for court martial
I remember all the cac "tough guys" who were pumped full of moto and couldn't wait to empty clips on "others" (whoever this week's bad guys are: criminals, illegals, terrorists, Antifa, whatever. It's all the same).
Oh it won't happen here?

This is America

 

[987654321]

Have you considered the internal ramifications of an administration that would order you to fire on civilians? I doubt you'd be given a choice of returning home after refusal.


If America ever got to that point, it's highly likely you would be fired upon if you didn't execute the order. I doubt the lives of soldiers would be treated any better than civilians. It was a similar playbook in Nazi Germany, USSR, mao's China, idi amin's Uganda and the various military dictatorships of South East Asia .


I think the line of morality becomes a lot more murky when your own life is at stake. It's very likely that the people with families to return to would be the first ones firing at the crowd.

I have, it’s still no. And if I were court martialed and convicted I’d just be exonerated by the next administration. It just isn’t worth it. service members, their NCO’s, and command have been having these same conversations since the last time taco was in office. The overall sentiment before

Spoiler

was how stop the issue at its “source” should it come to that

. People are willing to walk away, do time, hide, stand up instead of killing their own. (Not including the weirdo’s with masked antisocial personality disorders).

As for returning fire, I agree with you 100%. You shoot at, try to burn, etc a locked and loaded platoon of infantry dudes and they will return that shyt in kind, if they can weed you out. MP’s and the other 31 series that are more likely to be deployed in these situations, are 10x’s more likely to be patient and get off the X and figure out a more reasonable response to the threat.

 

[Digital Omen]

(Not including the weirdo’s with masked antisocial personality disorders)

Whole lot of those in the armed forces.

 

[987654321]

We was leaving Baghdad and the incoming unit wanted a NCO from the out going company to ride out with them


Before I continue I was SGT (P) at the time

It was a convoy of SFC a MSG and few SSG

We pulled in somewhere jumped out the trucks to clear weapons


Why a SFC had a ND


Why was I called in the where 1sgt asking me why I let that happen


I was in the last truck that shyt happened in the 2nd truck a convoy of 8


He said “you was supposed to get out my truck to watch all the clearing


I said BS that’s was not in the SOP

I’m not signing shyt!!

All but 1 of my 1SG’s would have been throwing hands with the SFC or just lit up a cigarette and walked away shaking their heads lol. That 1 would have put paperwork on the SFC until he shot himself lol