Militias coming to the aid of Cliven Bundy

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The topic of why ranchers are dwindling is distracting from the bottom line of the discussion dealing with Bundy. The bottom line is Bundy should not be allowed to graze on the public land and ignore rules and restrictions set in place to graze on the land. Plain and simple.

Same legalist argument. I've already said, I'm not arguing in terms of legality, but legitimacy.

Oh okay...well that's a bad comparison. The paying for the Iraq War through taxpaying dollars and voluntarily grazing on land for your benefit or two different situations.

Different, but with sufficiently similar elements.


We're not talking about the 160 acre private land he is "living on" we are talking about the 170,000 acre public land he is grazing his cattle on. Meaning land for public use.

I know.

But If he can't graze on the adjacent land, then he can't LIVE on the land at all.

He didn't go to court for it until 1998 when the government set an injuction on him for trespassing on the land and not paying for it. He didn't negotiate or work out any deal. In 1993 he just said "I'm not going to pay for it anymore."

Well then, so what? He didn't waive any right to cut a deal just because he didn't go to court right away. What's the argument here? That he acted in bad faith by not going to court sooner? He objected to the practices of the BLM so he stopped paying. The fact that he didn't immediately try to bargain right away doesn't tell me a thing.

No I'm arguing that the law applies to Bundy the same way it applies to everyone and he gets no exception because "he's fed up".

Again, same argument.
 

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But If he can't graze on the adjacent land, then he can't LIVE on the land at all.

That sounds like an issue with paying for the land for living expenses. Something he should've discussed with the land owners.

Well then, so what? He didn't waive any right to cut a deal just because he didn't go to court right away.

So don't use the land then. It's not his land.

Why are you trying to make this more complicated then need be?

What's the argument here? That he acted in bad faith by not going to court sooner? He objected to the practices of the BLM so he stopped paying. The fact that he didn't immediately try to bargain right away doesn't tell me a thing.

If he wasn't going to cut a deal or work with the government on a payment deal then why is he still grazing on the farm knowing he has to pay to use it???

You're trying every avenue to defend this man but he broke the law and basically said "I don't care, I'm going to do what I want to do." You can't defend that.
 

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some yall would jump off the building for the federal gov't
same nikkas that did the tuskee airman dirty
same nikkas that let the USS Liberty go unpunished
same nikkas that was beating ya ancestors down with hoses and look the other way when Blood was on the leaves

but yall love these nikkas tho....

its sad

 

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FOX Tries To Smear Ron Paul As 9/11 Truther During IRS & Bundy Interview

 

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why they always got to have the nikka do it
same same media tries to play the homie. ron creates a platform, ppl express their views then these stupid media ignore all the good things he does and focus on other sh1t to blame on ron paul.
this nicca he was setup. that's what minorities are good for at fox news. i bet he thinks he asked a tough question or summ. anyway, didn't throw his person under the bus and ron answered the question perfectly.
 

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All you people simply assuming all ranchers are white racists are being unfair. If Bundy is a racist cac, then clearly any sane person wouldn't approve of it, however it is important people's way of life aren't allowed to be marginalized all for the benefit of some corrupt politicians. You idiots don't see this is essentially the white version of gentrification? Just as its bad when jews sell historically black property to rich developers, forcing its predominantly black residents out in Harlem, to corrupt politicians forcing cattle ranchers off of grazing land they've used for 100's of years, all for some corrupt get rich scheme devised by politicians, its all bad.

I'm really impartial to the outcome of this incident, but i DO admire Bundy fighting for his rights as an American to continue his way of life. Well i can't say that i'll join him in his battle, i do admire his bravery for standing up for what he believes in.

Maybe, but riding with a racist cac to justify your cause aint what's hot in these streets. fukk him.
 

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White folks as far away as New Hampshire are flocking there, White people know how to support each other when shyt like this happens.

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This is what I was thinking.... I'm thinking that black people worldwide are superior in every way.... except in this way. CAC are impressive when it comes to that support and getting boutit
 

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This is all madd interesting about them paying the fees (but gov not accepting), globalism, the BS about turtles, Sen. Reid and chinese, about the militias and the gov armies and all this shyt.

I'm not 100%, but I'm inclined to go w the rural CAC on this one. (both sides are wrong and are demons) I know that if this was the 30's Bundy and friends would probably be hanging my sons from trees after they put their cigars out on their lips.... BUT Their worse racist imaginations can't match what the US gov has done to us for hundreds of years and allowed others to do.

So I have to go w Bundy, this grazing shyt isn't even a big deal - obviously the gov has an alternative reason they want the land. Like the Gov is willing to KILL over 1 million dollars while we give fake Jews in Israel Billions. The solar shyt and the turtle shyt is funny and it's funnier that you all are even believing it. There are black farmers that earn a living doing this same shyt and we don't want the Gov getting carried away with shyt like this. Gov is grimy in general when it comes to property. This cac earning a living isn't going to affect my pockets... shyt if there was a way for me to get in on the cash I would do it - because there is zero chance of me preventing our gov from sanctioning gentrification, bailing out banks, not allowing blacks free higher education, creating wealth gaps and stop killing brown people all over the world.

I'm not rooting for these CAC because they aren't my people, but maybe we will see this as an example for our own causes... preg bytches out there ready to smack the gov police with 0 fear, rural cac having to be Talked down from going to fetch their AK's n shyt.... I respect that shyt because the Gov isn't right in this situation, BUsh was wrong, Clinton, bush and Obama are all wrong.

FEd Gov owning over 80% of the LAND in one state -- Give me a fukking break!. Situations like that are sometimes needed in a democracy
 
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This is all madd interesting about them paying the fees (but gov not accepting), globalism, the BS about turtles, Sen. Reid and chinese, about the militias and the gov armies and all this shyt.

I'm not 100%, but I'm inclined to go w the rural CAC on this one. I know that if this was the 30's Bundy and friends would probably be hanging my sons from trees after they put their cigars out on their lips.... BUT Their worse racist imaginations can't match what the US gov has done to us for hundreds of years and allowed others to do.

So I have to go w Bundy, this grazing shyt isn't even a big deal - obviously the gov has an alternative reason they want the land. The solar shyt and the turtle shyt is funny and it's funnier that you all are even believing it. There are black farmers that earn a living doing this same shyt and we don't want the Gov getting carried away with shyt like this. Gov is grimy in general when it comes to property. This cac earning a living isn't going to affect my pockets... shyt if there was a way for me to get in on the cash I would do it - because there is zero chance of me preventing our gov from sanctioning gentrification, bailing out banks, not allowing blacks free higher education, creating wealth gaps and stop killing brown people all over the world.

I'm not rooting for these CAC because they aren't my people, but maybe we will see this as an example for our own causes... preg bytches out there ready to smack the gov police with 0 fear, rural cac having to be Talked down from going to fetch their AK's n shyt.... I respect that shyt because the Gov isn't right in this situation, BUsh was wrong, Clinton, bush and Obama are all wrong.

FEd Gov owning over 80% of the LAND in one state -- Give me a fukking break!. Situations like that are sometimes needed in a democracy
the feds fuqqed up on this one. they should've started fuqqin with black folk first cause we've been conditioned to fear the feds and we too busy listenin to gangsta rap anyway to give a fuq about some god damn cows.
once they've succeeded fuqqin with black folk then they can move to white folk and we'd all wish the white folk go down too cause we did first. :yeshrug::manny:
 
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