he has friends in divorce law who are probably are rich making a killing of divorces but its not that scary, as they collect their 2-300 dollar a hour . I'm sure if the industry wasn't booming they would specialize in another fields.
Millennial marriage statistics
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he has friends in divorce law who are probably are rich making a killing of divorces but its not that scary, as they collect their 2-300 dollar a hour . I'm sure if the industry wasn't booming they would specialize in another fields.
I know I tagged you in this thread for fukkery, but, I hope everything goes well. I just read your thread about your family home.
ogc163
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Not sure, I'm in NYC, I'd safely presume it's not that high. I'm curious, why do you ask?
ogc163
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Well, if we're talking about divorce not hurting that much, we're talking the divorce rate not being that high because in general higher wage people are not getting divorced.
My issue with a lot people is putting the cart before the horse.
You don't get married to solve issues...you don't have certain issues, so you get married.
Example; the average black couple isn't getting a down payment given to them from the four parents they have between them to basically give them their first year of marriage just to enjoy and not having to worry much about bills.
Poor people get married and have the same problems...times two.
You'll have to send that to me, again.
I might have missed bookmarking it again.
ogc163
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It is post 88
In regards to economics, I think it's generally better to be married than to be single mainly because you can share expenses. I am not arguing that getting married is a cure or will automatically undermine other economic issues that are prevalent in the Black community, I stated that in the other thread. I would suggest reading through that thread because I was careful not to overstate the economic utility of marriage.
I actually saw that thread, I probably opened it with a bunch of tabs and closed it by accident.
Those are actually some great numbers.
Here's my issue with your point; it comes off as "well, you're already broke..." completely missing that people get married (albeit it's the wrong reason) to escape those factors.
The divorce rate for black women is 70% with economic reasons being the number one reason women (who also initiate divorces at a 70% rate).
Yes, and this is complicated by the fact only 35% of black women are married.
Yes, the black people don't have the traditional patriarchal structure due to structure racism targeting black men in the area of incarceration, education, employment, etc.
In general, women do not marry down...black women, who end up married, end up marrying down...but, there marriage rate is the lowest among all races.
"Well, even if she divorces you, she ain't gonna take 'half' of yo shyt."
Okay, cool. You are correct, "Getting raped by divorce court" is not a good reason for a black millennial male not to married.
I'll give you that. That is some great information.
BBUUUUTTTTTT...
...I think your're falling into the outdated trap of "shared" when it comes to economics.
Read Page 51 of this report
I've always been against the idea that pooling money together makes poor people anything other than poor...with a little bit more to spare.
Women are coming to the table with historic college debt...two jobs (especially between the average black millennials) doesn't change your situation unless we're talking the most superficial.
We really need to be talking about marriage as a means to gaining social capital.
I'm not marrying a woman if her mother or father can't provide me an enroute into same place in society I would otherwise not.
(ex. I've always wanted to get more in line with a career in Criminal Justice but have little to no connections).
Here's the kicker; the average is spending 95% of their check on expenses.
If I got $3,000 in my pocket after they take out of my check monthly, but, I have to spend, let's say, 75% on bills and food.
Congratulations, I got at most $1500 if I can find someone who makes just as much as me.
Now, if we move in and cut out stuff that doesn't need to be paid twice anymore (rent for example), maybe that becomes $2000 take home.
But, the problem is
Very Sad Graph: How Much Americans Have Left to Spend After Essentials, Today
We're actually spending 98% of our take home pay. And there's other articles to show we do not have enough to save. And the average America don't even take days off of work.
I feel like I'm rabbling. Yes, you are correct, the divorce courts are not a real thought out deterrent for marriage.
ogc163
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I'm not so much missing the point, rather I don't think the point is as important as you seemingly do. I recognize that people can often have misguided assumptions regarding the tradeoffs they have to consider when getting married, which is why I suggested entering a DINK situation and/or marrying at an older age. But even with that being the case, it does not undermine my argument that marriage is better economically than being single.
I've read Darity's report before, I don't think it undermines or goes against anything I'm saying. But I am open to seeing how exactly the report goes against my stance.
Having a little bit more to spare is not trivial, especially when you take into consideration the long time horizons. Again I have been very careful regarding the potential economic utility of marriage, your responses would be more appropriate if I was arguing that marriage would substantially undermine income and wealth gaps, but that is not what I am arguing. To be clear I am arguing that marriage is generally better than being single from a cost/benefit analysis, NOT that marriage will lead to exponential improvement regarding all that ails us.
I am looking at it through the perspective of a game as I stated in the HL thread...
" We have to acknowledge and play certain games in life as best as we can, that doesn't mean we have to fully agree with the game's underlying values or we have to be nihilistic regarding changing the game. In regards to the quality of life and economic security game, marriage is, in general, more beneficial than being single.
The moral questions underlying that are not that interesting to me, as I'm more concerned with practical solutions first and foremost.
And so, Black people are better off acknowledging that the low marriage rates are a problem that we have a relatively high degree of agency in fixing--as opposed to several other issues plaguing the community where individual agency to change outcomes isn't high--and changing the dominant narratives when it comes to marriage."
"There is a myriad of issues facing the Black community, and they often interact with each other, this is to be expected since life is a complex adaptive system, and so fixing one major issue doesn't necessarily fix the other issues but it may help undermine their negative impact."
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Kevin Samuels had a whole show shytting on you #GMB breh's. Timestamped it for the fukkery!!