Millions are FLOODING across the border!

[Berniewood Hogan]

Americans travelling to mexico legally, seeking a service is totally different

You either believe in borders or you don't, pendejo. America isn't sending their best. They're sending fatasses, they're sending idiots, they're sending baby boomers, and some, I assume, are good people.

Mexico needs WALL and who's going to pay for it? America.

 

[ill]

You either believe in borders or you don't, pendejo. America isn't sending their best. They're sending fatasses, they're sending idiots, they're sending baby boomers, and some, I assume, are good people.

Mexico needs WALL and who's going to pay for it? America.

Mexico already has walls.

America is sending tourists. Tourists come back home. Your apples to oranges comparison is retarded. Almost as bad as handing out citizenship to the world.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

America is sending tourists.

America is sending elderly people who desperately need affordable healthcare because people like you want more billions.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

"care about poor people??"

The American Healthcare system is so fukkin broken. That's the reality of things. I had pull money of my retirement to pay for my mother's surgery but a lot of people don't have that support what about them.

 

[IrateMastermind]

I’ve been to algudones and all I can say is it’s legit. My mom was a dental assistant and looked at my teeth and said it’s just as good as the work down here.

My dentist graduated at Loma Linda near San Diego and could be verified.

I’d recommend everyone who needs expensive work done go there. If it cost more than a hotel and airplane ticket into Yuma it’s worth it. My crown and root canal was $300.

 

[mbewane]

 

[Mook]

yep. except poor citizens actually have a right to be here

its just that pesky borders and citizenship thing that every country on earth employs

"every white person reveals himself"

 

[the cac mamba]

"every white person reveals himself"

reveals? ive never said otherwise

i dont buy into liberal shaming tactics when it comes to america having a border and recognizing what a citizen is, like EVERY other country on earth. it's just not something i agree with the left on

 

[the cac mamba]

If these illegals showed up at the airport without passports you’d laugh at them for trying to get in but hiking across the desert and people act like you deserve a Nobel Prize

excellent point

 

[Professor Emeritus]

the average illegal household takes in 50 thousand in services from the government, but only generates 30 thousand we could do without that and be just fine. sorry to break it to you

Source?

it's the same statistic as any poor family. the difference is that poor citizens are citizens, they didn't go to another country without being asked

No its not the same as any poor family.


#1. Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare and a lot of other government services, and avoid even some of the ones they do qualify for. Even stuff like police/court costs are used far less by them.

#2. Nearly all the immigrant families who come over are working families, so you can't compare them with the average citizen poor family which includes plenty of people who are unemployed, on welfare, on disability, elderly and retired, etc.

#3. The main cost they DO qualify for is education for their children, which you can't even fairly count as a cost because every study shows that education FAR more than pays for itself due to the benefit to the economy when those kids start working. It's unfair to count the costs of educating the kids before you've counted the benefits of those kids paying taxes on their income for the next 40-50 years.

 

[the cac mamba]

No its not the same as any poor family.


#1. Illegal immigrants don't qualify for welfare and a lot of other government services, and avoid even some of the ones they do qualify for. Even stuff like police/court costs are used far less by them.

#2. Nearly all the immigrant families who come over are working families, so you can't compare them with the average citizen poor family which includes plenty of people who are unemployed, on welfare, on disability, elderly and retired, etc.

#3. The main cost they DO qualify for is education for their children, which you can't even fairly count as a cost because every study shows that education FAR more than pays for itself due to the benefit to the economy when those kids start working. It's unfair to count the costs of educating the kids before you've counted the benefits of those kids paying taxes on their income for the next 40-50 years.

honestly breh, when i google stats on immigrants using welfare dollars they seem to come from sources, so im not gonna post them. but the claim is that 60 percent of illegal households manage to access some sort of welfare program. that doesn't seem like a stretch to me if they came here with nothing but the clothes on their back but somehow sustain themselves by "doing the jobs no american would do, for pennies"

using my powers of deduction, i have to believe that a mother and father who come here illegally with a family that needs to be schooled and cared for medically...they arent offsetting that with their ten dollar an hour jobs that's a net loss

 

[Professor Emeritus]

honestly breh, when i google stats on immigrants using welfare dollars they seem to come from sources, so im not gonna post them. but the claim is that 60 percent of illegal households manage to access some sort of welfare program.

Hmmmm, if all of the cites for the claim come from sources, what do you think that means?

They do all sorts of things to game those numbers. They'll count any family with a single illegal immigrant in it as an "illegal immigrant household", even if an illegal immigrant marries a citizen or a legal immigrant and only the citizens in the family are accessing medicaid or whatever. Or they'll count crap like going to a government-subsidized food bank or a free clinic as "welfare dollars".

have to believe that a mother and father who come here illegally with a family that needs to be schooled and cared for medically...they arent offsetting that with their ten dollar an hour jobs that's a net loss

You CAN'T use parental pay to offset children's costs. Reality doesn't work that way.

The costs of an education are offset by their future earnings, not by their parent's earnings. We fund public education as a country because of how much we think the kids are going to contribute, not because of how much we feel their parents have already contributed. And every study out there will show you that the cost of public education is FAR more than offset by the dramatic rise in the educated child's future earnings and resultant economic value and extra tax dollars.

Everyone knows that you need young people to fund the stuff that old people use up. Immigrants coming in are those young people, they're net givers to the system. Unless they're disabled or chronically unemployed, they're unlikely to be takers unless they make it a damn long ways into retirement.

 

[the cac mamba]

Hmmmm, if all of the cites for the claim come from sources, what do you think that means?

there's plenty of things that the left wing media refuses to report on because it doesnt fit their agenda. you know this and the right wing media does the same thing

Everyone knows that you need young people to fund the stuff that old people use up. Immigrants coming in are those young people, they're net givers to the system. .

so if the poor are net givers to the system, that means everyone up to the rich are REALLY net givers to the system. so why is the system in debt if everyone in it is a net giver

 

[Savvir]

the average illegal household takes in 50 thousand in services from the government, but only generates 30 thousand

Source?

 

[the cac mamba]

Source?

i forget, and im not gonna bother looking it up again. if you think that's wrong, then what do you think it is?