I_Got_Da_Burna
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if you can't afford to pay a minimum wage salary, no matter what it is, then you shouldn't be in business
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Minimum Wage Increases Make Restaurants More Likely to Fail
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theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Deport illegal immigrants. Force low paying jobs to hire Americans at higher wages. That will provide the base for the black excellence movement. Wasn't that your spiel?
but i dont support increasing the minimum wage
any increase in wages from deporting illegal immigrants would happen through the free market not through minimum wage increases
I_Got_Da_Burna
Superstar
the free market can dictate wages, but it can't force productivity
what people like you fail to grasp is the FACT that illegals are cheap AND productive, and they do the work that Americans do not want to do....PERIOD. The free market is what caused the illegal immigration problem in the first place...corporations wanted a larger labor pool outside of just an American one.
You cannot be a protectionist and a believer of the free-market at the same time. As a matter of fact, Mark Cuban destroyed fukker Carlton on this very same issue:
ya'll don't pay for expensive food though
this is, as usual for you, flawed.
Americans are productive...they're not competitive at illegal wages however.
DynamoEAR
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Roland Freyer.
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Domingo Halliburton
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Regionally, there's obviously a million different factors. The premise of the article holds true...in a lot of places
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
There are a lot of things wrong in this post
1) illegal immigrants crossing the border to work is not an example of a free market, its the opposite, its an example of a distorted labor market caused by different laws in 2 different countries. For their to be a free market, there would have to be uniform labor laws in both mexico and the us and americans would also have the ability to go to mexico and get a job. I'm not saying that its realistic but that is what a free market would look like.
One of the distortions to the labor market is minumum wage laws that (for the most part) apply to illegal immigrants, so to have a free market you would have to get rid of the minimum wage laws or make them equal in both countries
2) the other distortion to the market is the social safety net including minimum wage laws. the reason why its important to enforce immigration is due to the attractiveness of the social safety net and the money required to keep it up
so its not hypocritical to advocate enforcement of immigration laws in a distorted unfree market
3) in the video you posted cuban is talking about recruiting high level employees with specific talents and he is saying that the immigration system should stop bringing in tom dikk and harry, which is what is what it currently does
he is not advocating for illegal immigration or bringing in low wage workers
4) the word productivity has an economic definition, illegal immigrants working low level jobs are less productive by definition (the academic definition that is), hence the low wages
this goes back to you getting confused about what cuban was saying, you cant put a high level programmer and a low wage worker in the same boat and say they are both productive immigrants
tucker was saying that immigrants bring down wages, cuban was not necessarily disagreeing he was just saying that the system has to allow american companies to recruit specific workers with high level talents
5) illegal immigrants using fake ID are doing whatever jobs they can get including jobs that americans want, at one point in time the image of the hard working mexican laborer working in farms might have been true but the vast majority of illegal immigrants live in metropolitan areas doing regular jobs
this is an example of the types of jobs illegal immgrants have Immigrant workers tossed from NYC bakery fight for severance pay
these arent jobs that american are unwilling to do, these are jobs that are taken using fake ids and that a citizen or legal immigrant lost on
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I_Got_Da_Burna
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^^^I don't disagree with a majority of what you said, and I think you concluded that I was arguing for illegal immigration....I wasn't. What I'm saying is that we should NOT demonize the immigrants, demonize the corporations. This argument is a struggle over narrative, and the narrative that conservatives/free marketers like fukker Carlton and Trump is that the immigrants are the problem. For example, you used one of those narratives--that illegals use our safety nets, which is systematically untrue. To receive any type of benefits in this country, you have to be able to prove citizenship. An illegal obviously can't.
We need to start pointing the finger at the right culprit...the corporations who use the immigrant labor.
We need to start pointing the finger at the right culprit...the corporations who use the immigrant labor.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
I agree that the corporations are to blame but so are small and medium business and also it's rich people in general, these are all the people who take advantage of cheap labor
But you are point blank wrong about illegal immigrants receiving benefits. Minimum wage laws are themselves a benefit, but overall illegal immigrants get or can get all kinds of welfare and other social benefits, from food stamps, medical care, licensed, tuition etc
There is an entire movement of people whose entire goal is to give illegal immigrant benefits, in fact imo this movement is the main reason why Hillary lost and why the democrats are losing all over the place
As we speak the main current goal of the Democratic Party is creating sanctuary cities and giving money to illegal immigrants for lawyers, and stopping the enforcement of immigration laws