Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut trade revisited...
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Everybody in the West has a better record than the Lakers
just saying you can't say a coach failed unless his roster underperformed and failed to meet expectations. For some reason people just don't like Mark Jackson but his players love him. Carl Landry cited Jackson as a reason he wanted to come here. We didn't have to overpay to get him in part because he wanted to play for Jackson. If Jackson was to get fired im sure everybody on the team would be pissed besides Biedrins.
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we could've had iggy and drafted drummond 
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we could've had iggy and drafted drummond
Tell me how we could've kept our draft pick with Monta or Iggy on the roster.
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there were trade talks centered around monta for iggy...we even talked about this in a old thread right after bogut got traded here
yseJ
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hows it a "home run " ? we couldve easily gotten more for monta...also its not hard to find an upgrade over biedrins...that pick was irrelevant. bogut is predictably hurt. we basically traded away monta for damaged goods and throwaway garbage.
yseJ
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and the fact that monta isnt a good fit for this team long-term...has nothing to do with type of trade value he shouldve commanded. he was our most valuable trade chip...and we got nothing good out of it, really in terms of players, besides hurt ass bogut
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Okay, but you haven't told me how we could've kept our draft pick if we made that trade. We barely was able to keep it by starting 5 rookies at the end of the season. In order to keep your pick you must tank, in order to tank you must lose games. When we traded Monta we lost something like 26 of our last 30 games. Had Monta or Iggy played we would've won more than 4 games of the final half of the season especially when the playoff teams started sitting their starters. Us keeping our draft pick eventually came down to a coin flip and the draft lottery. Had we lost the coin flip we would not have been able to enter the draft lottery as the 7th seed thus losing our pick to Utah.
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At 20 years old I have no problem going on record saying Harrison Barnes will have a better career than Iggy, so I don't think the pick was irrelevant. We ended up with 2 picks that were upgraded over the starters we had. Barnes is an upgrade over Dorell and Ezeli is an upgrade over Biedrins. I refuse to believe Bogut will never play again btw. When Bogut did play he gave us good minutes on both ends of the floor. If he sits until Christmas the trade was still worth it.
hows it a "home run " ? we couldve easily gotten more for monta...also its not hard to find an upgrade over biedrins...that pick was irrelevant. bogut is predictably hurt. we basically traded away monta for damaged goods and throwaway garbage.
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tank harder
yseJ
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I meant the ezeli pick, you have a point with the tanking/barnes pick...but still, I just think we really couldve gotten more value for monta...
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What did the 76ers get for Iverson when they traded him? And you're wrong, Klay Thompson is our most valuable trade chip. More GM's around the league regard him higher than they do Monta. He's the prototypical 2 guard.
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iggy slashing and kicking it out to klay and curry then lee and drummond doing work on the inside...it would've been beautiful 
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iggy slashing and kicking it out to klay and curry then lee and drummond doing work on the inside...it would've been beautiful
You just don't get it do you. It would've been impossible to get Iggy and keep the pick to draft Drummond.
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Bogut bombshell: Surgery was serious - SFGate
Center Andrew Bogut won't return from left ankle rehabilitation this week as the Warriors anticipated, and he's getting increasingly frustrated by the team's continued drumming up of expectations.
This all seems to stem from the team claiming that he had minor arthroscopic surgery in April, a procedure that he says wasn't so minor.
The 7-footer said he had microfracture surgery, a much more serious procedure, and there's still way too much swelling to engage in strenuous activity. Playing in Saturday's game against Indiana, he says, is absolutely out of the question.
"It's frustrating," said Bogut, who addressed the media Tuesday after missing consecutive practices in which the team had said he was likely to participate. "People look at you and think, 'Why are you still hurting? It's just an ankle.' That's the feeling I get sometimes. ... You feel like you're letting down the team, the fans and the organization."
The Warriors have followed a pattern of being overly optimistic with their recovery projections for Bogut:
-- They said he might return at the end of last season or play in the Olympics. He didn't.
-- They said he'd be ready for training camp. He wasn't.
-- They said he could play 20 minutes per game at the start of the season. He couldn't.
-- They said he'd return after seven to 10 more days of rehab. He hasn't.
-- And the latest: They said he'd practice this week with an eye toward playing this weekend. He won't.
"That's not going to happen. I can tell you that right now," Bogut said. "I'm still a little ways off. It's an interesting rehab, because there's no real timeline for it. I'll be back when I'm ready to play at 100 percent."
The Warriors confirmed Tuesday that Bogut had microfracture surgery, about seven months after claiming an arthroscopic surgery "to clean out loose particles and bone spurs" was a success and he should "return to basketball-related activities" in July.
The goal of microfracture surgery is to stimulate the growth of new cartilage by creating a new blood supply. A sharp tool is used to make multiple holes in the bone beneath the cartilage, which allows new blood to reach the joint surface. That brings new cells that will form cartilage.
Microfracture recovery can take up to a year, but the Warriors maintain that Bogut's was so minor that the need wasn't detected even by X-rays. They say it wasn't until the surgery started that microfracture was considered, and they stand by their original six-month rehabilitation prognosis.
While the Warriors were on the road last week, Bogut went to the Los Angeles area, where his surgeon, Dr Richard Ferkel, gave him blood-manipulation injections. The big man hasn't seen positive affects from the treatment yet.
Bogut is able to use the stationary bike and the elliptical machine to maintain his weight and conditioning, and he has gotten on the court for light shooting drills. But he can't do any running or anything that calls for contact or change of direction.
He said his ankle is still sore and swollen after workouts. Scans show no new damage, but there is still a lot of scar tissue and deep bone bruising, he said.
"We're not pressuring him," head coach Mark Jackson said. "I want him back when he's healthy. We're going to hold down the fort and take care of business. We're more than capable of going out and taking care of the job. We don't want him on the floor until he's 100 percent. You get uncomfortable and more frustrated when you try to rush it back."
Bogut averaged six points and 3.8 rebounds in playing four of the Warriors' first five games. They went 2-2 with him in the lineup, outrebounding opponents by 0.25 a game, breaking even in points in the paint, and limiting the opposition to 43.2 percent shooting.
Without Bogut, the Warriors have gone 6-4. They're outrebounding opponents by 6.1 boards a game, scoring four more points in the paint than their opposition, and posting a 43.1 opponents' field-goal percentage.
"That makes life much easier, because there's no pressure on me to come back right now," Bogut said. "If we had a bad record, I'd be feeling the wrath a little bit more from everybody."
Center Andrew Bogut won't return from left ankle rehabilitation this week as the Warriors anticipated, and he's getting increasingly frustrated by the team's continued drumming up of expectations.
This all seems to stem from the team claiming that he had minor arthroscopic surgery in April, a procedure that he says wasn't so minor.
The 7-footer said he had microfracture surgery, a much more serious procedure, and there's still way too much swelling to engage in strenuous activity. Playing in Saturday's game against Indiana, he says, is absolutely out of the question.
"It's frustrating," said Bogut, who addressed the media Tuesday after missing consecutive practices in which the team had said he was likely to participate. "People look at you and think, 'Why are you still hurting? It's just an ankle.' That's the feeling I get sometimes. ... You feel like you're letting down the team, the fans and the organization."
The Warriors have followed a pattern of being overly optimistic with their recovery projections for Bogut:
-- They said he might return at the end of last season or play in the Olympics. He didn't.
-- They said he'd be ready for training camp. He wasn't.
-- They said he could play 20 minutes per game at the start of the season. He couldn't.
-- They said he'd return after seven to 10 more days of rehab. He hasn't.
-- And the latest: They said he'd practice this week with an eye toward playing this weekend. He won't.
"That's not going to happen. I can tell you that right now," Bogut said. "I'm still a little ways off. It's an interesting rehab, because there's no real timeline for it. I'll be back when I'm ready to play at 100 percent."
The Warriors confirmed Tuesday that Bogut had microfracture surgery, about seven months after claiming an arthroscopic surgery "to clean out loose particles and bone spurs" was a success and he should "return to basketball-related activities" in July.
The goal of microfracture surgery is to stimulate the growth of new cartilage by creating a new blood supply. A sharp tool is used to make multiple holes in the bone beneath the cartilage, which allows new blood to reach the joint surface. That brings new cells that will form cartilage.
Microfracture recovery can take up to a year, but the Warriors maintain that Bogut's was so minor that the need wasn't detected even by X-rays. They say it wasn't until the surgery started that microfracture was considered, and they stand by their original six-month rehabilitation prognosis.
While the Warriors were on the road last week, Bogut went to the Los Angeles area, where his surgeon, Dr Richard Ferkel, gave him blood-manipulation injections. The big man hasn't seen positive affects from the treatment yet.
Bogut is able to use the stationary bike and the elliptical machine to maintain his weight and conditioning, and he has gotten on the court for light shooting drills. But he can't do any running or anything that calls for contact or change of direction.
He said his ankle is still sore and swollen after workouts. Scans show no new damage, but there is still a lot of scar tissue and deep bone bruising, he said.
"We're not pressuring him," head coach Mark Jackson said. "I want him back when he's healthy. We're going to hold down the fort and take care of business. We're more than capable of going out and taking care of the job. We don't want him on the floor until he's 100 percent. You get uncomfortable and more frustrated when you try to rush it back."
Bogut averaged six points and 3.8 rebounds in playing four of the Warriors' first five games. They went 2-2 with him in the lineup, outrebounding opponents by 0.25 a game, breaking even in points in the paint, and limiting the opposition to 43.2 percent shooting.
Without Bogut, the Warriors have gone 6-4. They're outrebounding opponents by 6.1 boards a game, scoring four more points in the paint than their opposition, and posting a 43.1 opponents' field-goal percentage.
"That makes life much easier, because there's no pressure on me to come back right now," Bogut said. "If we had a bad record, I'd be feeling the wrath a little bit more from everybody."