'Morals in rap is like an oxymoron...' - Jay Z

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Saw this tweet from camel a while back & couldn't help but agree. But when I saw J. Cole's letter to the autistic community today I had to make this thread. He had a few pretty dope points:

"I view rap similar to how I view comedy. It’s going to ruffle feathers at times. It’s going to go “too far”. I do not believe that an apology is needed every time someone is offended, especially when that apology is really only for the sake of saving an endorsement or cleaning up bad press."

how does the coli feel about morals in rap? Should there be any? Should we try steering the youth in what we feel is the right direction or just say fukk it & do whatever it takes to make a dollar? :lupe:
 
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any person who takes rap seriously lost at life beng beng

what about the kids who don't know any better yet. Lupe's 'bytch Bad' is a good example. Should the responsibility be solely left up to the parents?? Should the blame be put on them if their child is influenced by a certain song or artist? Just trying to see other nikkas views on this topic cause I think it's a touchy one.
 

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what about the kids who don't know any better yet. Lupe's 'bytch Bad' is a good example. Should the responsibility be solely left up to the parents?? Should the blame be put on them if their child is influenced by a certain song or artist? Just trying to see other nikkas views on this topic cause I think it's a touchy one.

I grew up listening to unedited hip-hop since I was a child. I do feel like hip-hop influenced who I am as a person, but I was smart and lucky enough to have people around me to learn my sense of morality. I never went to music, movies, or television (like so many do) looking for morals. I was smart enough to understand everything I see and hear is all for entertainment purposes. I can only imagine if a kids doesn't have anyone to look up to, nobody to tell him its JUST entertainment, that he might get the wrong impression. Sol if you ask me, it starts at home with the parents.
 

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We used to, though :ld: . Remember Public Enemy protesting against Arizona for going against the MLK national holiday? Nowadays, people want to make money without any form of responsibility, while influencing people to do dumb ass shyt.
 

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Yeah u have a responsibility to mean what you say to a certain extent imo....if u pretend to have morals you should be called out if you don't live up to them or if your being a hypocrite....if your pretending to not have morals and are called out for it by the moral police you should be able to say "fuk morals:youngsabo:"....Can't say I've seen Jay apoligize ever so he may mean that,on the other hand he's so careful with what he says to not get himself in hot water with the major activist groups I don't know....but overall he don't apoligize:obama:...So yes u are responsible for what you say,and unless u fakin to the utmost u won't have a problem with that....doesn't matter if its negative or positive imo,u can be ignorant as u want to be or positive as u want to be....but to apoligize for it is a weak move in most cases
 

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I think to say morals in rap is an oxymoron is ridiculous. There are morals in rap like there are in life.
 

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i get what he's saying. its only entertainment. its like wwf...imagine if people consumed all the facades they saw in wrestling. wrestling was huge in the 90s. even though people knew that the same wrestler has wrestled under 4 different names and facades they were smart enough to know its only entertainment and it ended when they turned off the tv.

people didnt go around hittin people with hammers and spray paintin their clique on peoples chest and back. although dx had a degenerate attitude its and stone cold had a trust nobody fukk the world attitude people didnt make that apart of their lives or live up to those facades. sure people did the gestures, and wore the clothes, said the quotes. people do the same with rap, wear what the rappers wear, follow the same trends.

it really boils down to people. back in the day people used to rock long hair and want to party like rock stars, and today people still emulate these idols/false idols. i think maybe the lines of it going away when the tv and radio are turned off are kind of being blurred especially with social media and such and such a high priority of independence and being what you want/ chasing the dream/never giving up. people are afraid to give up their individuality or pardon it to get back to the real world. people fear not being unique. somehow the phrase "i never want to work in an office setting" is widely circulated and people think its lame they dont see that you can still be individual and unique and be apart of a larger entity.

people dont want to be a number or a sheep. back when i was a kid, we'd dress up like ninja turtles, spiderman, batman, power rangers, firemen, cowboys, cops and robbers etc...we knew we went back to being us when playtime was over. nowadays ive seen kids in school dressed up like some costumed hero or in the store thinking their a princess or spiderman or some shyt and parents are like ":manny: let him be him"

it definitely begins and really ends in the home. if you watch tv and listen to music and still are in that frame of reference when the shyts over, thinkin its real and such...its not that the entertainment is too real is just that the line hasnt been defined for you and your missing the point.

when the family or household structure isnt there people tend to seek out and idolize others and entertainment even more. its one thing if you want to be a cop, fireman, rapper, ball player and you have family or household structure to cater you toward that. you will keep your individuality and uniqueness but people without that filter or strong self identity blur all the lines as to what they should look at and look for. for instance athletes. yea they are good at sports. people say all the time they want to be as good as tom brady or peyton manning but a majority of the time they are referring to wifing a supermodel or playing quarterback they arent saying i want to be as great of a father at peyton or archie, or get as good as grades or ace the wonderlic.

people live up to their idols and achieve the same level of notoriety all the time, like looking up to jordan and playing in the nba and getting endorsements and such. but there is a balance with the family/household structure/upbringing/ego and id that allow people to succeed successfully and others who are focused on the wrong thing and never achieve.

its all to be taken with a grain of salt, any reasonable person could look at anyone and say id like to be like them, yet... or id like to have as much talent or skill as ____ but then id ________

on some older sports forums i used to see old heads talk about sports stars saying oh hes a great running back/ quarterback/ pitcher but he was a terrible father. people say "he's a great businessman but an a$$hole" they are looking at too much of the spectrum.

you cant have it all. shyt the beatles have quality music and are skilled musicians, their music have morals, values and convey very powerful messages to the open and aware listeners. people shyt on every beatle. paul, john, george, ringo....let it be, all you need is love, well stop using drugs, be a better husband and father blah blah blah...

georgia okeefe painted pictures of flowers that looked like vaginas is she a great artist or a freak
warhol painted awesome pop art but his personal life is very ........well..you should know
michael fukkin jackson made thriller.....thriller
tiger woods...
hemingway
van gogh.....
the list goes on.

morals and values are so personal a lot of them are hard to personify. you can open a window to some but not all. and not a lot a one time. there isnt a master list or one size fits all. what moral to you isnt to me and vice versa.

now ethics are easier to define but even then people can be hesistant.

there are great songs about being a great dad, but the artists who write/sing them? does that make the product any less credible? this is what jigga is pointing out. its a 2 sided coin. its like you could be skilled with low/no morals, or moral with low/no skill not often do they go hand in hand where we can acknowledge

take what you want with a grain of salt, leave the rest and move on.
 
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