More overrated singles career: Jeff Hardy or Edge

[Art Barr]

if jeff hardy had not of been heinously smash mouth squashed by cripple ache.

the majority of the times in their earlier encounters.
i feel meth party would be perceived a lot better as believeable as a champion.

edge was always slated to be a world champion.

as, edge always had the look/hair/height
typically, vince associated as being the it qualities.
to be the lead draw of his promotion generally.
it was just up to edge to ramp up in the necessary areas.
which he did above and beyound what was expected of him, overall skillwise.

it is not edge's fault.
the anemiac low quality booking and glass ceiling was in place.
that kept him from being booked properly.

or capable of being perceived as high quality.
in general the domestic at home fan or the general iwc mark community.

edge and jeff if properly booked should have lead wwe into a different arena of perception workrate qyality wise. except they were booked and shackled by the glass ceiling.

so as not to upstage higher drawing me placeholder.


art barr

 

[Starburst]

Jeff...think about it, all he does is jump off stuff, hurt himself and paint nonsense on his face...does he even really wrestle?

I know he is a Loser, but IMO Matt is the better Hardy wrestler

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Jeff...think about it, all he does is jump off stuff, hurt himself and paint nonsense on his face...does he even really wrestle?

I know he is a Loser, but IMO Matt is the better Hardy wrestler

Actually Jeff has shown himself to be able to put together some really good matches. I do admit to being baffled myself by how him jumping off of shyt gets a huge pop all the time.

Jeff Hardy has "IT", more so that any other wrestler of his generation.


If either of these guys are overrated in any way it's because they can't work as heels and faces.

Edge has always been a pretty horrible face while Jeff is a joke as a heel.

Both have suspect finishers also. They look fine when going up against guys who are comparable size, but when they do that shyt against much bigger opponents it loos stupid. Like I'm supposed to buy that the Spear/Swanton can take out guys like Batista, Big Show, or even John Cena.

 

[Starburst]

Actually Jeff has shown himself to be able to put together some really good matches. I do admit to being baffled myself by how him jumping off of shyt gets a huge pop all the time.

Jeff Hardy has "IT", more so that any other wrestler of his generation.


If either of these guys are overrated in any way it's because they can't work as heels and faces.

Edge has always been a pretty horrible face while Jeff is a joke as a heel.

Both have suspect finishers also. They look fine when going up against guys who are comparable size, but when they do that shyt against much bigger opponents it loos stupid. Like I'm supposed to buy that the Spear/Swanton can take out guys like Batista, Big Show, or even John Cena.

Oh i definately agree- Jeff has the "It" factor in terms of the crazy stunts he pulls but he sucks on the mic, Matt isn't much better but he is better than Jeff in that respect. With regards to actual wrestling skill, the stunts overshadow what Jeff is capable of doing, that is why i said techincally Matt is the better wrestler

 

[Morrison17]

Hardy = money
He was nothing special (but good) in the ring, nothing special (but ok too) on the mic, but his charisma is huge. i'm not a hardy fan, but i always liked his matches, promos and i always liked to cheer him. so i dont think that he is overrated. maybe he didn't deserve push by his work, but he looked good in the main event and ppl actually buy him

and Edge... hm his ok too, but 11 titles with over 9000 injuries? yes, probably this is too much

 

[Ohnoits]

Keep in mind, brehs...Edge was also kept down at keypoints in his career and succeeded despite being denied a lot of opps on a platter because he wasn't kliqued up like Orton, Batista, Sheamus, etc... the only one who wanted to put the title on him was Vince and cuz he was friends with Cena. That was why he got denied his WM spot at 22 with the title, and why he had to fight for the rest of the 06 program and got sent to Smackdown in 07.

Taker, Flair and Foley asked for those matches.

Don't forget Triple H had no love for Edge...wanted him fired back in 05 and was demanding he cut his hair off for years/complaining about him getting spots on the card and title shot.

Luckily, Stephanie and Vince saw clearly.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Keep in mind, brehs...Edge was also kept down at keypoints in his career and succeeded despite being denied a lot of opps on a platter because he wasn't kliqued up like Orton, Batista, Sheamus, etc... the only one who wanted to put the title on him was Vince and cuz he was friends with Cena. That was why he got denied his WM spot at 22 with the title, and why he had to fight for the rest of the 06 program and got sent to Smackdown in 07.

Taker, Flair and Foley asked for those matches.

Don't forget Triple H had no love for Edge...wanted him fired back in 05 and was demanding he cut his hair off for years/complaining about him getting spots on the card and title shot.

Luckily, Stephanie and Vince saw clearly.

Edge had been given TONS of opportunities. There's never a been a point in his career where I'd say he's been held down. Edge has gotten a pretty consistent push throughout his career. The only "downtimes" during his career were periods where he was injured or just being naturally rotated out of the main event.

 

[Ohnoits]

Edge had been given TONS of opportunities. There's never a been a point in his career where I'd say he's been held down. Edge has gotten a pretty consistent push throughout his career. The only "downtimes" during his career were periods where he was injured or just being naturally rotated out of the main event.

It was a mix of push and held back. He never had the early trigger pulled like Orton or a few other failed favorites that came in and got a title shot within a year. It was more the steady climb through the midcard (which is good) and took him about 10 years. After he got there, they hesitated on him but he proved he could go above and beyond.

He was certainly favored as one of the potential greats, I'm just saying it's a mistake to assume he got handed title after title without any sort of obstacle, like many of these modern day made champions today.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

It was a mix of push and held back. He never had the early trigger pulled like Orton or a few other failed favorites that came in and got a title shot within a year.

It was more the steady climb through the midcard (which is good) and took him about 10 years. After he got there, they hesitated on him but he proved he could go above and beyond.

Are you serious with this shyt?

Look at who was on the roster when Edge came in and compare that to the roster when Orton came in.

You seem to be forgetting Edge's injury history.

They were grooming him to move into the main event on Smackdown....Then he got injured and missed an entire year.

He came back from injury, they moved him to Raw and put him in program with Benoit gave him the IC title, and were pushing him pretty hard......Then he got a groin injury and missed more time.

He came back from the groin injury and was getting booed by crowds as a face.

When Edge has performed well he's been given opportunities and title reigns. The only times He's really not been pushed hard was when he was hurt or when bigger stars were in the main event. There were times where Edge wasn't even over and WWE pushed him hard. Hell I think people are forgetting just how bad his last title reign was and how lukewarm the responses he was getting were.

 

[Ohnoits]

Hey, I stand by it. Once he broke through he broke through.

I do think he could've been bigger than he actually was, just because of the way most of his reigns were treated, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Rayzah]

Edge fukk what anybody says. Him being over in the pg era is like a nikka throwing for 7oo yards in a d3 school, its impressive but he wouldnt have done it against better competition

 

[captaincharisma]

Edge fukk what anybody says. Him being over in the pg era is like a nikka throwing for 7oo yards in a d3 school, its impressive but he wouldnt have done it against better competition

how about how over he was at the OG one night stand, probably the most non-pg era crowd ever.

he had solid feuds with Cena, Taker, Foley, DX, Batista, Chris Jericho, RVD, Rey Mysterio

carried old ass ric flair to a classic match on raw...what did jeff harvey do?

hardly bad competition

 

[Rayzah]

how about how over he was at the OG one night stand, probably the most non-pg era crowd ever.

he had solid feuds with Cena, Taker, Foley, DX, Batista, Chris Jericho, RVD, Rey Mysterio

carried old ass ric flair to a classic match on raw...what did jeff harvey do?

hardly bad competition

Ill give you that match with foley and he had some solid feuds with cena, but I forgot all about that shyt because is was during a time when the product was unwatchable.. atleast hardy had some exciting ladder mattches and tlc matches they made famous not E&C.. edge is decent on the mic but is a boring in ring performer..

 

[Mic-Nificent]

how about how over he was at the OG one night stand, probably the most non-pg era crowd ever.

he had solid feuds with Cena, Taker, Foley, DX, Batista, Chris Jericho, RVD, Rey Mysterio

carried old ass ric flair to a classic match on raw...what did jeff harvey do?

hardly bad competition

Edge and Jericho only had two feuds.

One VERY brief one on Smackdown early at the start of the brand split era and their most recent one. The most recent Edge/Jericho feud was a flop, the matches were underwhelming the promos were atrocious.

 

[captaincharisma]

Edge and Jericho only had two feuds.

One VERY brief one on Smackdown early at the start of the brand split era and their most recent one. The most recent Edge/Jericho feud was a flop, the matches were underwhelming the promos were atrocious.

their wrestlemania 26 match wasn't bad.

edge clearly has had better matches, promos, moments than jeff as a single competitor, not even close. i can't even remember much of jeff's matches, promos or feuds - pretty forgettable.