More than 15k scientists from 184 countries issue official warning to humanity

[AlainLocke]

Trying to blame problems on overpopulation is an outdated way of thinking. There are MORE than enough resources (food, water, shelter, medicine) to sustain everyone on the planet, this is a provable fact.

It's like me having 20 steaks to distribute to 5 people, but instead of giving 4 a piece I take 19 of them and tell you there's a shortage. Are there not enough steaks to go around or am I not distributing them efficiently?

There may come a point where we legitimately have too many people and not enough resources to support them, but we are nowhere close to that number.

The population is a problem because human beings are destroying the ecosystems and driving other species that we depend on to create the biodiversity that we need to live on Earth to make room for the rapidly growing human population.

Now if we developed a planned economy and started rationing food and consumer goods....you think we gonna be happy with that...and long is that gonna take? Do we wanna go through the Cold War again? The entire Cold War was about market economy vs. planned economy.

Without a lifestyle change and an economy change we are screwed. We are overpopulated and population control incentives need to be imposed slowly and unbeknownst everyone. People need to start being incentivized to not have children. People need to be incentivized for not buying so much shyt. People need to be incentvized for not having big houses. Peopole need to be incentivized for not living in the surburbs.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

As somebody who was born in the early 80’s and remember VERY well how serious they made the ozone layer, recycling, AIDS, and other things

They had us thinking we’d not make it past the year 2000 - straight finessed everybody while they

Nah.

 

[OsO]

The population is a problem because human beings are destroying the ecosystems and driving other species that we depend on to create the biodiversity that we need to live on Earth to make room for the rapidly growing human population.

Now if we developed a planned economy and started rationing food and consumer goods....you think we gonna be happy with that...and long is that gonna take? Do we wanna go through the Cold War again? The entire Cold War was about market economy vs. planned economy.

Without a lifestyle change and an economy change we are screwed. We are overpopulated and population control incentives need to be imposed slowly and unbeknownst everyone. People need to start being incentivized to not have children. People need to be incentivized for not buying so much shyt. People need to be incentvized for not having big houses. Peopole need to be incentivized for not living in the surburbs.

My point is overpopulation is not the problem, the current human social order is the problem. The "problems" due to overpopulation are more so a result of our bad decisions as a society rather than our capacity to provide food, water, and housing to people.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

but what if there isnt?

i get why people side eye these scientists and bill gates and whatever, but there IS a point where there will be too many humans and not enough resources. thats just a fact

The universe has limitless resources, seriously we couldnt ever even come close to consuming the resources contained in our own milky way galaxy.

Instead of trying to install population control, we need to think of solutions. Like floating cities, like farm skyscrapers. Like colonizing the moon and mars. Like mining asteroids, like 3d printing, like star trek replicators (which is physically possible.)

People have been screaming the worlds overpopulated for hundreds of years. And something always comes along that changes the dynamics of the situation. Malthus was wrong.

Bill gates put up an equation with peolple as one of the variables. And said one of the variables has to reach near zero...


Thats where this shyt will lead

 

[acri1]

More than 15k demonic scientists from 184 countries issue justification for the excuse to commit mass genocide on the planet.

Yeah, clearly those 15k scientists are all involved in some mass genocide plot that creating a warning about climate change somehow contributes to.

Spoiler

I hate people sometimes.

 

[null]

Humans create weapons, war, use fuel for travel etcc..... Animals dont' do that because they are in harmony with earth but because they cannot.

Animals could just 'refuse' to play their part in the ecosystem and it would have just as big effects.
Pollination for example or species control.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Animals could just 'refuse' to play their part in the ecosystem and it would have just as big effects.
Pollination for example or species control.

You are being ridiculous.
Animals do not refuse to be animals

 

[null]

Animals do not refuse to be animals

You seem to be suggesting that they are mindless automatons who (inferred) 'work with nature' because they have no choice. It's not that simple.




Do animals make choices? Exploring Parallels Between Human And Animal Decision-Making
That begs the question can they make fundamental changes to their defining characteristics ? No idea but I doubt it. (But neither can we).
Then what remains is are there non-fundamental changes that they make (encouraged by external forces or not) which can affect the environment and the answer to that is clear. Yes.

Insect / Bird Migration for example.
"These factors can change from year to year which is why we see these birds choose different options each year. They have to decide what makes the most sense for them based on their status and condition."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110406085323.htm

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My point was about the significance of any deviation rather than their internal mechanisms and by quoting 'refuse' I meant 'refuse in effect' not in the layman's everyday parlance. But as we are here anyway..

Questions about whether they understand the effect of their choices are irrelevant.
If a herd of animals decides to migrate because of 'conditions' this has a knock-on effect. Example - Insert migration and desert formation. Their motivations may not be as (demonstrably) complex as humans beings but so what? A choice is a choice is a choice.

TL;DR Bees can understand abstract concepts, flowers can think and gorillas can talk.
It ain't that simple.

Inside the Wonderful World of Bee Cognition - Where We're at Now
Do Plants Think?
Sign Language | koko.org

 

[African Peasant]

The concentration of wealth and the waste of ressources in certain part of the globe is more harmful than a bunch of starving african kids.

 

[Wiles]

"Rapid growing population" but white ppl population is dropping, they means there-are too many others being born.

 

[DEAD7]