More than 8 out of 10 Blacks support: immigration, abortion, Student loan relief, banning AR-15, raising taxes on wealthy, passing voting rights law..

[King Jove]

That isn't my argument so, no.​

Ok so you really don't care about gun deaths. Just mindless virtue signaling.

big black scary gun = bad

wood gun = good

 

[OfTheCross]

Yeah, it's called the constitution, which grants certain rights that can't be taken away on the federal level or the state level.

Democrats probably should try repealing the 2nd Amendment, but good luck with that.....

This part is completely arbitrary and it wasn't until 2010 that we decided it applied to the 2nd Amendment. For the previous 234 years of the Constitution's history we didn't see it that way.

The Constitution is a check on the Federal government first and foremost.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Ok so you really don't care about gun deaths.

That's a false assertion.

No American needs an assault weapon.​

 

[King Jove]

This part is completely arbitrary and it wasn't until 2010 that we decided it applied to the 2nd Amendment. For the previous 234 years of the Constitution's history we didn't see it that way.

The Constitution is a check on the Federal government first and foremost.

But we did.

The pro-gun people were fine with federal gun control legislature restricting what they could buy like fully-auto weapons, until the anti-gun lobby started to overstep, and pro-gun people said enough is enough, about semi-auto weapons and standard capacity mags, and created this awfully polarizing culture with lunatics on both sides.

 

[Will Ross]

Banning assault weapons isn't banning all guns. And we've banned types of guns before so it's not unprecedented. For a complete ban you'd need to Amend the Constitution. You should not be concerned with that.

Most people are killed with handguns
If you think the goal is not to ban all guns you not being realistic.

 

[King Jove]

No American needs an assault weapon.​

Do we need the non-assault weapons?

 

[kevm3]

Most people are killed with handguns
If you think the goal is not to ban all guns you not being realistic.

Exactly. Once they grab the semi-auto rifles, which are not 'assault weapons', they are coming for the pistols. Most murders are committed with pistols anyways since most murders are done close up and pistols are cheaper on average and a lot easier to conceal than a rifle. If 'reducing deaths' was really their real objective, they'd be coming after the pistols first.

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

False....​

Common attributes used in legislative definitions of assault weapons include:

Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine;

Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock, which reduces the overall length of the firearm;

A pistol grip that protrudes beneath the action of the weapon;

Bayonet lug, which allows the mounting of a bayonet;

Threaded barrel, which can accept muzzle devices such as a flash hider, suppressor, compensator or muzzle brake;

Grenade launcher;

Barrel shroud

Aside from semiautomatic, none of those features impact functionality or lethality in any remotely significant manner.

Virtually all modern rifles have Detachable mags, including those not classed as AWs

Pray tell, how does a pistol grip make a weapon more lethal or dangerously alter its functions to the point it should be unavailable to the public?

A barrel shroud?

A threaded barrel, especially given that suppressors are already controlled?

Same with a grenade launcher. Grenades are highly controlled.

A bayonet lug? Not the bayonet, just the lug.

A movable stock?

These are things that scare urban liberals. A round fired from a wooden mini14 causes the same wound channel as the a round from a XM15.

 

[OfTheCross]

Do we need the non-assault weapons?

Exactly. Once they grab the semi-auto rifles, which are not 'assault weapons', they are coming for the pistols. Most murders are committed with pistols anyways since most murders are done close up and pistols are cheaper on average and a lot easier to conceal than a rifle. If 'reducing deaths' was really their real objective, they'd be coming after the pistols first.

Your fears are unfounded. How can we ban all guns without a Constitutional amendment? You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

 

[King Jove]

Aside from semiautomatic, none of those features impact functionality or lethality in any remotely significant manner.

Virtually all modern rifles have Detachable mags, including those not classed as AWs

Pray tell, how does a pistol grip make a weapon more lethal or dangerously alter its functions to the point it should be unavailable to the public?

A barrel shroud?

A threaded barrel, especially given that suppressors are already controlled?

Same with a grenade launcher. Grenades are highly controlled.

A bayonet lug? Not the bayonet, just the lug.

A movable stock?

These are things that scare urban liberals. A round fired from a wooden mini14 causes the same wound channel as the a round from a XM15.

Yeah, but the wooden mini-14 doesn't look as scary as the XM15, and that's all that matters.

 

[Genos]

You can buy a car with no license, registration, or insurance. There is almost no regulation on private car sales. Just as long as you don't drive it on the street.

You are saying there is regulation in the main way 99% of people use cars but no regulation on collectors unless they want to use the car like everyone else. So this means there are regulations needed

If you drive it on the street and a cop stops you , THEN there are punishments. But there are no punishments for just having a car in your possession and on your property.

Yes this should be the same for guns. People arent going to bust in your house looking for guns, but if you have an unregistered, unlicensed, gun with no proof of ownership and you are caught, then you should go to jail and loose your firearm privileges just like cars.

The 1 to 1 comparassion for guns, would be no background check for buying a gun off a private sale, and simply having it in your home, and not using it in public.

Breh this scenario you made makes no sense. Because cars have more utility than guns. If you have a car most likely you are going to be using it for transportation. Guns have no utility like that. Also people arent using their guns in private, THEY ARE USING IT IN SHOOTINGS EVERY DAY, MANY CAUSING MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO DIE. A shooting is not even like a car accident as all shooters go in with the intention to kill.

It would be easier just to say you don't care about gun deaths.

 

[King Jove]

You are saying there is regulation in the main way 99% of people use cars but no regulation on collectors unless they want to use the car like everyone else. So this means there are regulations needed

And those regulations are not coming, and I don't' see the Democrats pasiontely supporting laws for that regulation

Yes this should be the same for guns. People arent going to bust in your house looking for guns, but if you have an unregistered, unlicensed, gun with no proof of ownership and you are caught, then you should go to jail and loose your firearm privileges just like cars.

And I don't strongly oppose this. and this already happens for most states.

Breh this scenario you made makes no sense. Because cars have more utility than guns. If you have a car most likely you are going to be using it for transportation. Guns have no utility like that. Also people arent using their guns in private, THEY ARE USING IT IN SHOOTINGS EVERY DAY, MANY CAUSING MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO DIE. A shooting is not even like a car accident as all shooters go in with the intention to kill.

The vast majority of gun owners use thier guns in private. The vast majority of gun owners are not using their guns in shootings. It's not even statistically possible. There are almost 330 million people in the US, tens of millons of gun owners, and more guns than people. If the majority of gun owners were killing people every day, then the US population would literally go extinct. Like you would have millions and millions of gun deaths every year, and that's not happening. The stats prove that. I don't believe in punishing the vast majority of gun owners that use guns responsibly at the expense of a very small minority of irresponsible gun owners.

It would be easier just to say you don't care about gun deaths.

I very much care about gun deaths, and trying to mitigate it as much as possible by addressing the root cause of violence like White supremacy, Poverty, Wealth inequality, Capitalism, Healthcare, Mental Health, Education, Corrupt police, The prison idustrial complex, etc. instead of band-aid solutions that does not address the root cause of violence. You can have a responsible gun culture, not based on just banning guns or features. That's the difference between me, liberal, and even leftist gun owners, and what separates us from psychopathic republican gun owners that don't want to fix those issues I just mentioned.

My way is a way in which both sides can ultimately get what they want, instead of one side just punishing the other side. and both sides contributing to extreme polarization. My way is also not ultimately restricted by a constitution as well....

 

[Black Hans]

@ black people wanting AR-15s banned. I don't know why that's funny to me.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Aside from semiautomatic, none of those features impact functionality or lethality in any remotely significant manner.

And that's all that needed to be said. Now, initially you stated.....​

Again, those features are aesthetic, and have no bearing on the weapon's functionality or lethality.

Semi-automatic is a feature that DOES bear on the functionality and lethality of the weapon which is the WHOLE point of discussion. The features that don't, aren't, but were most commonly-associated with those weapons and lead to the 1994 Legislation.....28 years ago. THAT'S WHY THERE'S DEBATE ABOUT THEM, BUT NOT THE SEMI-AUTO CRITERIA.

That criteria is UNIVERSAL.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

There is no reason for an American to have an assault weapon.​

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

And that's all that needed to be said. Now, initially you stated.....

Semi-automatic is a feature that DOES bear on the functionality and lethality of the weapon which is the WHOLE point of discussion. The features that don't, aren't, but were most commonly-associated with those weapons and lead to the 1994 Legislation.....28 years ago. THAT'S WHY THERE'S DEBATE ABOUT THEM, BUT NOT THE SEMI-AUTO CRITERIA.

That criteria is UNIVERSAL.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

There is no reason for an American to have an assault weapon.​

If thats the core of the discussion, then you should be for a ban on all semiautomatic weapons. However NOT all semiautomatic weapons are assault weapons. Aesthetics are the only distinction between a legal semiautomatic rifle and an "assault weapon".

AWBs are pointless, driven by emotion, not logic.