Most Bernie Sanders Supporters Aren't Willing to Pay for His Revolution

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Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution

What Sanders supporters are willing to pay isn't enough for his health care plan
In 2015, the average person on an employer-sponsored health plan paid a little more than $1,000 annually in premiums, and the average family paid nearly $5,000, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

In other words, even Sanders supporters are saying they don't want to pay as much to the federal government for health care as they are paying right now in the private sector.

But Sanders's plan to pay for universal health care coverage would increase taxes on most voters by more than $1,000. He wants to:

  • Add a 2.2 percentage point surcharge on individual incomes. This means marginal tax rates go up for everyone. (After a standard deduction, about a quarter of households won't have to pay this surcharge.)
  • Add a new 6.2 percent tax on earnings, which employers pay — but will be passed on to workers over time in the form of lower wages, according to the Tax Policy Center's Roberton Williams.
The kicker for all of this? Some analysts believe Sanders's plan will cost twice as much as his campaign estimates.
 

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This seems like an assertion based on assumptions, instead if anything factually based. What are we talking about with employer sponsored? Looks like the prices listed are pretty much employer subsidized. It's also not calculated for a family of four either.

Where is there any indication that Sanders' supporters wouldn't want to pay that much, if everyone gets covered? Is there any tallying of the lowering of overall costs if people don't wait until the emergency room for care that would likely be preventable? Why not calculate those massive savings into the overall cost.

Looks like an overarching troll piece to me.
 

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you actually think a democrat is going to cut anything? :mjlol:
Bernie has already pledged to cut the oil subsides, which are not needed for the wealthiest industry of all time. That's 16 billion right there. If we get them to close tax loopholes and a lot of other corporate subsides/tax cuts, paying for many of his plans are simple. He's already name checking plenty of companies not paying their fair share, making them his enemies. I don't see how he doesn't follow through, knowing they didn't do shyt to help his campaign.
 

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Bernie has already pledged to cut the oil subsides, which are not needed for the wealthiest industry of all time. That's 16 billion right there. If we get them to close tax loopholes and a lot of other corporate subsides/tax cuts, paying for many of his plans are simple. He's already name checking plenty of companies not paying their fair share, making them his enemies. I don't see how he doesn't follow through, knowing they didn't do shyt to help his campaign.
breh when you actually become president things change, that's why Barry-O went to war in Libya after his entire campaign was spent talking about getting out of the ME
 

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:dame: No ad homi but op reppin: tinder networking seminars

Now onto the actual article lets begin by talking of the source: Vox, whos largest shareholder is Comcast Invests $200 Million in Vox Media
It seems to me that Vox has a vested interest in seeing Bernie not be elected, especially since the Bern went after the Verizon CEO this week.

The polling itself is also flawed because simply going up to people and asking them if they would like an increase in their taxes would produce a very expected result; no one wants to be taxed more, but if you work out the math at the dining table most Americans would benefit from Sanders plan.

Now the actual math:
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Doing away with deductibles and premiums would result in a net gain for the average American.

The kicker for all of this? the analyst that claims Sanders plan will cost twice as much as his campaign estimates is Kenneth Thorpe: He was Appointed as Deputy Assistant Secretary in President Bill Clinton's cabinet, he had a central role in coordinating President Clinton's health care reform proposals.
 

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If it's wasteful then yes I believe Democrat republican me you it doesn't matter who should cut it. Pretty basic concept. People like you always trying to take an easy idea and over complicate it. Always holding progress up.
i'm not the one in power breh
just saying though, what have the Dems cut in the past 8yrs?
even the republicans haven't cut much, our government wants to grow in power, they aren't cutting shyt
 

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This seems like an assertion based on assumptions, instead if anything factually based. What are we talking about with employer sponsored? Looks like the prices listed are pretty much employer subsidized. It's also not calculated for a family of four either.


Where is there any indication that Sanders' supporters wouldn't want to pay that much, if everyone gets covered? Is there any tallying of the lowering of overall costs if people don't wait until the emergency room for care that would likely be preventable? Why not calculate those massive savings into the overall cost.

Looks like an overarching troll piece to me.


To their credit, some Sanders supporters have done the math and figured out that even with big tax increases, they would end up saving more money from Sanders's new programs.
But many other people were surprised when they used our candidate tax calculator and found out how much additional taxes they would pay under Sanders's plan.

Yet that's the revolution — one that promises Medicare for all, public college tuition for all, massive investments in infrastructure, expanded Social Security, etc. Those services require higher taxes, but could also save people money in the long run.


Accuse the piece of trolling and accusations without reading it thoroughly brehs :francis:
 

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Accuse the piece of trolling and accusations without reading it thoroughly brehs :francis:
They're surprised, yes, but doesn't mean they'd not pay for it though, or still support Sanders. Anything in its infancy is going to be expensive. There's a lot of inefficient items and waste we have to calibrate and remove. It's not like Reagan completely cutting the top tax rates in half drastic.
 

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This is a story that comes out literally every six months about every politician left of Milton Friedman.

Americans as a whole both want more services and to pay less taxes. They also want less military intervention and a stronger military, and immigration reform making a path to citizenship easier while also wanting less immigration. And oppose islamaphobia while supporting a ban on Muslim immigrants.

And vox is a neoliberal hell hole full of dorks that mainly consists of articles with stolen graphs and "I spent 40 minutes reading Wikipedia, here's what you need to know on the TPP" analysis.
 
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