i don't think jay respects cam'ron or saw him as serious compeition
after getting into it with nas, jay probably saw cam as a bum. and unlike his battle with nas, he really had nothin to gain by battling cam
cam definitely won the battle but no one cared
and didnt u read nas's fed magazine's interview
he has absoutely no respect for cam
he called his album wack and threw him a subliminal, that's all he was getting.
ummm no
maybe he respected the pre tootie frutie cam'ron lyrically, most rappers did,
but though cam's dip set era was more entertaining and had more hits, his lyrics were almost comical at times
what behind the scenes shyt did he pull (serious question)? all i remember is cam dropping that diss (which was dope), Dropping a movie, and dropping that disappointing album dat had weak sales., and eventually ppl lost interest. cam was just never a A class rapper. i don't think jay was scared of him or a ether because i don't think he saw cam'ron on that level. i mean he was his boss just a few years prior. Probably saw him as a annoyin lil nikka.
i agree with you that i don't like the "he chose to ignore him" stuff. its a cop out and is some hoe shyt. But trust me, if eminem made a diss track towards jay-z best believe he woulda came back with a full fledge response.
jay responded, just not what the way same ppl wanted him to
Dre & Em during the jermaine dupree incident
also xzibit during the suge scenario
I remember an NY head on here saying something about back when Suck(Touch) It or Not was getting radio play, it was on the top 10 of a major radio station in NY...forgot which, but they had a poll in which listeners could weigh in and say who they thought was winning the beef between Jay/Cam, and the overwhelming majority said Cam
Sure enough....that song mysteriously disappears from the countdown, and Cam suddenly no longer gets radio playCoincidence?
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Pac beefin hard with Biggie and Bad Boy, instead of directing his anger towards the nikkas who really victimized him

bro you think cam'ron was better and more popular den he really waslol @ nobody caring about the cam/jay beef. it was the biggest thing going in hip-hop at the time. even 106th & park had to acknowledge it.......AND MORE PEOPLE WERE RIDING WITH CAMRON ON 106TH & PARK. what more do you want?
not to mention that cam was bigger than jay in the streets at this point. and killa season's sales were far from weak. his sales were actually good considering that he was being blackballed and on an indie on top of that.
no offense but theres so much wrong with these 2 posts.
these rappers got you fooled man. if anything, jay & nas basically insulted your intelligence, yet youre still cosigning them. the whole way they went about their beef with cam, shows that they didn't want any parts of him.
yes.
xzibit was part of that Jermaine Dupree chit as well.
basically.
more people were siding with cam on 106th & park as well.
"touch it or not" was on mtv2's countdowns and chit, then they stopped showing the parts with JJ Evans, then they suddenly stopped playing the video altogether.
I understand why a lot of oldheads don't respect jay & nas as top 5 rappers.




bro you think cam'ron was better and more popular den he really was
shyt wasn't even that long ago and you are trying to rewrite history
jimmy was more popular den him like a year or so later when balling came out, dat speaks volumes
jay tried to blackball nas during their beef
made them stop playing his first freestyle diss and a whole bunch of other stuff and how did that work out?
you really talkin about 106 park right now
cam got you thinking he was a megastar
"the things we do when nikkas sell 200, and front like they plantinum to us, TRU SNUFF HIM"![]()
I never said he was a megastar. I said he was bigger in the streets than jay during that period.
and I simply brought up 106th & park as more evidence to dispel your silly claims.
the comment about jay blackballing nas shows how little you know about the industry. horrible comparison.
not trying to come at your neck, but this argument is just silly. the whole game knows about jay and his cowardly moves.
what people usually don't like to mention is that the skateboarder boxed professionally.
people act like they just threw some random skate punk in the ring. mtv wouldn't dare. they always do chit like this on the slick.

you delusional homie
and i don't even fukk with jay like that no more
i already said i don't cosign saying " i'm too big to battle this guy"
but your making it seem like cam ron had jay's foot on his neck and the only way just saved his career was by doing behind the scenes stuff.
the beef was entertaining and caught our interest for a little bit, especially since ppl were still so curious about the roc a fella break up, but cam ron and jay were always on different levels and cam ron was never a serious threat
anyone can be hot "in the streets" for a second. waka flocka was hotter in the streets den nas at a time, who cares?
stop talkin about 106 and park![]()

lol.
okay buddy.
edit: oh and by the way, you were the one that started talking that commercial chit. I simply mentioned 106th & park ONE TIME to shut you down. and youre the one continuously bringing it up. truth hurts.

nah. scarface was the sucka-duck in that situation.
flip didn't say anything that tons of people weren't already running around saying.
face only cosigned T.I. cuz he was mad that lil flip didn't sign with def jam south.
actually, wait. let me back it up. T.I. pulled the biggest pu$$y move by starting a beef with flip over something that never happened. nine years later, we still aint see the tape. and 7 years later, we still have no young dro follow-up album. that's my next nominee for biggest clitoris moves by Clifford.
is made...like what have he done
...been a problem since...he tried to claim it was bout the leprechaun alias...but flip is on screwtapes with lil 3rd ..flip sayin he(flip) is the leprechaun...3rd never tripped out nuthin...
see post #41 in this very thread...
ti n face pulled the biggest p*ssy moves ever...
u ask any nikka in any hood across america
who was king of the south ...hip hop wise..at that time
u will hear either ugk...outkast..ball n g...or face ....i know i been in plenty of smoke sessions...n tip was playin n king of the south comes out his mouth...it would end up a convo...after theis made...like what have he done
what u said is fact...and documented...bout flip n face..
n both nikkas in the rap game with the snitch jacket rumor about em...r on the phone with each other....cacklelin like some hoes...face droppin names...n everything...
everybody that face got involved ...were nikkas that were all tryin 2 eat off flip...since he been in the game..his uncle hump...got caught...n flip cut him off...money was comin up short...n what flip thought he was doin...came to light finally last yr
Houston Record Label CEO Implicated In Drug Trafficking Case
them clover boys was short stoppin hillwood for yrs ....it took dj screw to show them nikkas they can make money together...they squash the plex and connected...
now to lil 3rd...3rd was another nikka who had his hand out when flip was on...he was locked up...when flip blew up 3rd was locked up...his nikkas c-note...will-lean n d-red was eatin...good with flip...
these same nikkas are in the botany boys rap group with 3rd...3rd get out ...he think he got a meal ticket....flip.......been a problem since...he tried to claim it was bout the leprechaun alias...but flip is on screwtapes with lil 3rd ..flip sayin he(flip) is the leprechaun...3rd never tripped out nuthin...
n 3rd is hot head nikka...he always ready to box...its footage of 3rd chasin skaface al kapone up some stairs tryna kick his ass...
so everybody tip n face had recorded convo with...were nikkas...flip either caught off...or didnt fukk with..kuz they was tryna eat off him...face included..he sign with face...somehow n someway james prince wouldve got his share in flip...
hump wasnt trippin bout the janitor when he blew up....nikka started trippin when flip daddy open his eyes to shyt...
the one person that tip shoulda got....in the beef..to expose flip...was slim thug...them was sneak dissin each other for yrs..
and flip has always been jealous of slim thug...but knowin slim..if tip came to him bout the king of the south shyt....thugga woulda said face...
and the whole city of houston jus about would ryde with everything slim had to say if he said it...he ruined chamillionare....made him rethink his objective be4 he got in the game...paul wall ended up leavin..lol...dirtiest nikka in the city of houston...cham wanna battle clicks with....
slim woulda got involved...flip would be in worse shape than mike jones is in right now...kuz the shyt face nem was sayin was already known...shyt flip said it himself in murder dog...n the source...
slim did get involved tho, he was getting at flip and squad up on that boss basics mixtape with drama. Too many cats from houston was riding with tip for flip to maintain.
rode with flip...n its funny trae was on on that flip n z-ro album too...