Ms Lauryn Hill Responds To Haters Saying She Didn't Write Miseducation in Write-Up to Medium.com

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You again do not know what you are talking about.

1) You do not verbally agree with someone over writing and production credits. Why? It has to be registered with companies like BMI and ASCAP. That is how artists are paid publishing and royalties even the artists who are sampled because they are credited as writers.

2) The XXL article on the New Ark Group clearly points out:

Because none of this working process was defined on paper—hence the lawsuit—it’s not always clear whose memory of the sessions is more correct;

Read More: Lauryn Hill’s ‘Miseducation’ Collaborators Remember The Album 15 Years Later - XXL | http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2014/02/...r-the-album-15-years-later/?trackback=tsmclip

^^^which is why you need paperwork

3) It doesn't mean that they were ripped off. What it means is that there was a discrepancy in what Lauryn thought qualified as production and what production actually is. Its pretty much the same thing we see on here all the time where people see "co produced by" and assume the co producer did all the work and the producer slapped on it. Without the proper documentation, the roles are not clearly defined and you end up in court. Of course no one wants to have paper work potentially ruin a creative relationship and no one wants to get sued because the business wasn't taken care of, but it is still necessary if you want proper credit and compensation for work.
:francis: how do i not know what i'm talking about? nobody disputes that it would have been better for them to have their paperwork in order. But there being no paperwork doesn't mean that they didn't write and produce on the record und that lauryn didn't steal their music. It just means that it is harder for them to prove what their contributions where. Which is why established artists and record labels try to take advantage of artists in a weaker position by telling them that the paperwork will be taken care off later, or having them sign things they didn't read or making verbal agreements and never putting them on paper. This is common practice in the music industry, which is why there have been a ton of lawsuits over stolen music and royalties. If lauryn didn't steal their music, why did she agree to a settlement back in 2001?

Have you watched lauryn hills unplugged? That is what a record sounds like, where she didn't receive writing input.
 

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:francis: how do i not know what i'm talking about? nobody disputes that it would have been better for them to have their paperwork in order. But there being no paperwork doesn't mean that they didn't write and produce on the record und that lauryn didn't steal their music. It just means that it is harder for them to prove what their contributions where. Which is why established artists and record labels try to take advantage of artists in a weaker position by telling them that the paperwork will be taken care off later, or having them sign things they didn't read or making verbal agreements and never putting them on paper. This is common practice in the music industry, which is why there have been a ton of lawsuits over stolen music and royalties. If lauryn didn't steal their music, why did she agree to a settlement back in 2001?

Have you watched lauryn hills unplugged? That is what a record sounds like, where she didn't receive writing input.

You don't know what you're talking about because you are assuming that:

1) the New Ark Group were taken advantage of in spite of admitting that it was harder to prove what their contributions were in the absence of paperwork. Artists don't get their proper credit distribution, publishing, and points without it. That is why she was sued.

2) You are calling her a theif even when the New Ark Group is saying the album was her brainchild, she collaborated with them in creating the music, and basically helped them build the songs

Now if you'd presented proof that she told them paperwork would be taken care of later or even verbally agreed to give them writing and production credit.

Settling out of court isn't an admission of her stealing music or even an admission of guilt. People settle out of court for numerous reasons:

1) They don't want to continue fighting

2) They realize that "ok maybe the party suing me deserves compensation" and in Lauryn's case, the New Ark Group deserved shared credits and not just the credits received as musicians, and lyrical contributions.

They never accused her of thievery or her taking advantage of them. In fact, after the settlement, they spoke to Lauryn. They wouldn't have even pursued legal action if they could've reached Lauryn without a suit, but calls weren't being returned and a suit was a last ditch attempt, which ended amicably after three years of fighting. This wasn't even just Lauryn they were fighting. It was Columbia/Ruff House and essentially the label is responsible for paperwork and registering everything with the publishing company.

Also, you're assuming that Lauryn took advantage of some naive children. James Poyser was a known producer in the industry at the time specifically having worked with Erykah Badu and D'angelo before working on Lauryn's album. He wasn't properly credited either, but didn't sue.

Che Pope also was not properly credited, but he asserts he had to clean up and redo some of the New Ark Group's work. He was asked by their lawyer to be a part of the suit, but declined. The New Ark Group even state that Lauryn gave Che their credits.

I have heard much of Unplugged and lyrically, it is far more advanced than Miseducation.
 

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if you listen to her lyrics throughout her career before and after her solo album, its clear she wrote her own raps,songs, etc its a very distinctive style that another writer cant just come and implement. However the music/production/beat etc, who knows who did those things, but i believe she wrote all her songs her style is just do distinct for a ghost writer to duplicate.
 

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You don't know what you're talking about because you are assuming that:

1) the New Ark Group were taken advantage of in spite of admitting that it was harder to prove what their contributions were in the absence of paperwork. Artists don't get their proper credit distribution, publishing, and points without it. That is why she was sued.

2) You are calling her a theif even when the New Ark Group is saying the album was her brainchild, she collaborated with them in creating the music, and basically helped them build the songs

Now if you'd presented proof that she told them paperwork would be taken care of later or even verbally agreed to give them writing and production credit.

Settling out of court isn't an admission of her stealing music or even an admission of guilt. People settle out of court for numerous reasons:

1) They don't want to continue fighting

2) They realize that "ok maybe the party suing me deserves compensation" and in Lauryn's case, the New Ark Group deserved shared credits and not just the credits received as musicians, and lyrical contributions.

They never accused her of thievery or her taking advantage of them. In fact, after the settlement, they spoke to Lauryn. They wouldn't have even pursued legal action if they could've reached Lauryn without a suit, but calls weren't being returned and a suit was a last ditch attempt, which ended amicably after three years of fighting. This wasn't even just Lauryn they were fighting. It was Columbia/Ruff House and essentially the label is responsible for paperwork and registering everything with the publishing company.

Also, you're assuming that Lauryn took advantage of some naive children. James Poyser was a known producer in the industry at the time specifically having worked with Erykah Badu and D'angelo before working on Lauryn's album. He wasn't properly credited either, but didn't sue.

Che Pope also was not properly credited, but he asserts he had to clean up and redo some of the New Ark Group's work. He was asked by their lawyer to be a part of the suit, but declined. The New Ark Group even state that Lauryn gave Che their credits.

I have heard much of Unplugged and lyrically, it is far more advanced than Miseducation.

And that right there is the key point in all of this, what they don't understand. He was credited as a producer, implying that he came and tweaked, added and changed the music that the session musicians laid down in following Lauryn's vision. I think these other posters are still trying to look at it from a hip-hop perspective.

New Ark argument is that they did more than just play instruments when composing the music.
 

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Something that long, can’t help but think she’s on her

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I couldn't even finish it all cause it was so long:why:


Its like if "Ether" was a novel:pachaha:
 

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Her shows start late because she’s a perfectionist, okay

Even though everyone else in the band is waiting around for her

Even though soundchecks don’t actually go through every song, they’re mostly just to check levels and eq

Even though if soundchecks running long became a routine thing, she could just start doing sound checks earlier...
 

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Same folks running to defend Lauryn are the same folks quick to shyt on Beyonce for doing the same thing.

I beg man keep it consistent.

Man if some of you knew how often shyt like this happened you'd understand, where the fury comes from.

Bunch of idiots who couldn't point out a cross fader, or count bars wanna run their mouths.

Life of a session musician is some next level fukkery.
 

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Same folks running to defend Lauryn are the same folks quick to shyt on Beyonce for doing the same thing.

I beg man keep it consistent.

Man if some of you knew how often shyt like this happened you'd understand, where the fury comes from.

Bunch of idiots who couldn't point out a cross fader, or count bars wanna run their mouths.

Life of a session musician is some next level fukkery.

Beyonce is a similar situation, but not exaclty the same. A lot of her songs aren't her directing session players, it's producers and writers bringing her music and her picking songs. That's not to say that she doesn't make her own edits and have them rearrange things. And early Beyonce had this signature on songs she actually helped write (she likes using the words infinity and "crazy" and "insanity" are reoccurring themes in songs even when they have nothing to do with the subject matter of the song i.e. "Deja Vu").

But yeah, I fully agree with your point about session players.
 

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She's full of shyt which is evident by her long ass response and she also admitted in a round about way that people wrote her music and she had help. However, I agree with her on the auditioning thing and I think Robert Glasper got some egotistical bytch ass ways about himself too.
 

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A lot of folks have the wrong impression of the music industry and how music is made.

The artist is practically a director - each song usually has many individuals working on it.

It's like when people confuse a music producer as the sole beatmaker.

Listen to what DJ Mustard, Timbaland and MikeWill are saying here about it towards the lst 0 minutes:
Timbaland, DJ Mustard and Mike Will Made-It Break Down their Beat Making Process

Also want to mention Wondagurl is probably my favorite producer today maybe really the most skilled female artist today - she has an insane ear.
 
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She's a bum and a liar. Amazing how tightly people cling to these empty symbols they've never even had a conversation with. She tried to lowball my homeboy on a screenplay deal and he wasn't allowed to make eye contact with her and had to call her Ms. Hill. I told people that shyt like 12 years ago, way before Glasper. Everyone knows this bum is a bum. She stole music. She demands people sign Trump-style NDAs if they produce art for her to use as her own. She made one fukking album. she showed up to performances crying like a lunatic and dressed like a hobo. She no-showed a hundred damn shows and treated her fans like shyt. And there's plenty more evidence of her shyttiness over a long ass period of time at this point. But some of y'all still find ways to make this about some other shyt. Sometimes a bum ass piece of shyt is just that.

:wow:
 
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