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I have A+ and Network+. Sole proprietorship is a good idea, but it depends on the area and your approach. It didn't work for me. I am IT at a hotel right now. Those two are a good foundation for getting a decent job, but if you want big money, you need to specialize. Either government (if you can pass clearances, especially of you're willing to move), security, or Ethical Hacking, or Database Management. It will take longer, but if you're in the right place at tell right time, you can get serious paper.
 
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So your telling me that with no college degree or college credits at all one could get a cert by passing a test and possibly get an entry level IT job?
 

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It is what it is.
You can go to a technical school like ECPI if you really want to cut down your education time to 2.5 years.
If you get a cert, you'll qualify for a low-end IT job, your pay will be tens of thousands of dollars less than your peers with degrees. It will take years at that low-paying job before you get promoted to take on more difficult IT jobs. Then, that 4 years doesn't look so bad.
It's still a $40k investment, plus 4 years time. Money you put up for college isn't an immediate return in investment either, especially when you don't have any experience. You put up roughly ~$5k for an A+ cert and you can start a little side hustle fixing computers and make that back right away. Again, I'm not against college but if you're on the hardware side, it's most cost efficient to get a certification. You can get a degree later down the line when you have established clients, and experience. The degree combined with the experience will allow you apply for better roles instead of starting from shyt ones and hoping you get promoted and also gives you an immediate return on your investment because the better the roles, the better the pay.
 

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If you're dedicated, study your ass off for that CISSP... guaranteed at least 85k

get some experience under your belt with project mangagement and you look at at 125k+
 

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So your telling me that with no college degree or college credits at all one could get a cert by passing a test and possibly get an entry level IT job?

You can but the X Years of experience still comes into play, even with a degree. But yeah pass the test and you will be certified, but definitely know what you are certified in or it will be as waste of money.
 

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It's still a $40k investment, plus 4 years time. Money you put up for college isn't an immediate return in investment either, especially when you don't have any experience. You put up roughly ~$5k for an A+ cert and you can start a little side hustle fixing computers and make that back right away. Again, I'm not against college but if you're on the hardware side, it's most cost efficient to get a certification. You can get a degree later down the line when you have established clients, and experience. The degree combined with the experience will allow you apply for better roles instead of starting from shyt ones and hoping you get promoted and also gives you an immediate return on your investment because the better the roles, the better the pay.
this right here is my truth because the information i learn i can apply outside a job, which now days its best to have other sources of income besides your main 9-5 job, I will be going this route. also i have a family and bills,

I know i have a talent and passion for this because i been doing this all my life, so why not get paid for something i'm knowledgeable about?
 

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It's still a $40k investment, plus 4 years time. Money you put up for college isn't an immediate return in investment either, especially when you don't have any experience. You put up roughly ~$5k for an A+ cert and you can start a little side hustle fixing computers and make that back right away. Again, I'm not against college but if you're on the hardware side, it's most cost efficient to get a certification. You can get a degree later down the line when you have established clients, and experience. The degree combined with the experience will allow you apply for better roles instead of starting from shyt ones and hoping you get promoted and also gives you an immediate return on your investment because the better the roles, the better the pay.

5k? I did some practice tests on YouTube, and passed it from memory (I have experience). Ran me 300, cost of the test. If you know and understand computer concepts, A+ is super easy. A book and a computer you can practice with/on is enough, unless you have zero computer skill or experience, in which case, I wouldn't do it. Doing this work without at least liking computers and dealing with people to some extent, will drive you crazy.
 

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5k? I did some practice tests on YouTube, and passed it from memory (I have experience). Ran me 300, cost of the test. If you know and understand computer concepts, A+ is super easy. A book and a computer you can practice with/on is enough, unless you have zero computer skill or experience, in which case, I wouldn't do it. Doing this work without at least liking computers and dealing with people to some extent, will drive you crazy.
I know that's a lot but I was looking at if you're doing a business in conjunction with studying. It usually requires some type of start-up costs.
 

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It's still a $40k investment, plus 4 years time. Money you put up for college isn't an immediate return in investment either, especially when you don't have any experience. You put up roughly ~$5k for an A+ cert and you can start a little side hustle fixing computers and make that back right away. Again, I'm not against college but if you're on the hardware side, it's most cost efficient to get a certification. You can get a degree later down the line when you have established clients, and experience. The degree combined with the experience will allow you apply for better roles instead of starting from shyt ones and hoping you get promoted and also gives you an immediate return on your investment because the better the roles, the better the pay.
I never said getting a college degree resulted in an immediate return on investment.
I'll put it this way. Take two people. One person gets a certification. The other person gets a college degree. After one year, you compare their expenses and their income. The person going to college paid more and earned less. The person with the cert paid money out for the cert, but has a higher gross income for that first year than the college student.
After the second year, the college student still has the same expense and low income from part-time jobs. The other person has no education expense and is earning more than the college student. If this was on a graph, the second year difference would be wider.
Now compare the third year, same thing as the second year. So now after two years, the college student's income to expenses in three years is in the tens of thousands of dollars. The other person is in the black.
Now, fourth year comes around, the college student has graduated at the end of the year. Four years of part-time work plus four years of college expenses. Whether or not that person did school in the summer or worked full-time in the summer, let's just say, total expenses was $80,000 after four years. Total gross income from part-time jobs was $20,000 after four years. That person loaned $60,000. You look at the other person, his total expense was $5,000. Total gross income from full-time work was $120,000 after four years. The $5,000 loan is paid off already so his gross is $115,000.
If you just look at the first four years, the cert person won.
Now, if you start comparing the next four years, that's when the curve starts changing. Total gross income for the college graduate can be double the other dude. Now, if cert dude wants to get a degree, he has to do that part-time. That's an expense. Not all employers pay for education. Some do. How long is it going to take to get a degree while working full-time? You think one course per semester plus summer, that's three courses a year. It's going to take about 10 years to complete. That's not unusual. In that ten year time period, the other dude is going to be able to pay off the loan and live comfortably. After fourteen years, you have two guys with a college degree. One has ten years of experience in a higher position and pay. And the other has 14 years of experience in a lower position and pay. At this point, you could say both won for achieving their goals. :manny: But the guy who got the degree first has an step up on the other dude, unless he was foolish with his income and spent it on luxury cars, parties, women, vacations, etc.
 
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