Gritsngravy
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Is it that leborn is a pure point guard or is it more so the fact that the offenses he been in was specifically made for him
My mans said Bron is a better pure PG than Magic
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It’s ok if you think Larry Bird is better than Lebron James. It’s just an opinion but that’s hilarious.
This. I ask posters OVER and OVER to post Magic's halfcourt passing highlights, and every time they post a highlight film full of transition highlights instead.
In the halfcourt, Magic mostly relied on being taller than his defender and lobbing the ball up to KAJ and Worthy, who were also taller than their defenders. He wasn't an extraordinary halfcourt passer. He also had a high dribble and was a mediocre ballhandler so he had to back his defender down rather than breaking him down and creating defensive chaos, and he was very turnover prone.
I've pointed out this highlight video several times and I just want to ask folk - if Magic is a fantastic halfcourt point guard, then why is he running these "plays"? That team is fukking stacked (Magic was a superstar, KAJ was still a superstar, Wilkes a borderline all-star, Worthy a budding star, McAdoo an old legend with a spark, Scott a promising rookie) with scorers all over the court. So why does Magic run these basic-ass sorry looking plays?
0:00 - spends 10 seconds dribbling in place failing to set up a simple post to Kareem before time runs out
1:10 - wastes 5 seconds doing nothing before throwing up a brick as the shot clock runs out
1:43 - spends 11 seconds dribbling around and then telegraphs the most worthless post-up to Worthy before turning the ball over directly to Parish
4:40 - commits a horrific turnover at a critical moment where it looked like he had no plan whatsoever
4:55 - gets the ball on a fast break and open court, but instead of going to the basket he just dumps the ball out to Worthy to create his own shot
5:20 - after some extreme struggle-dribbles, he telegraphics a bad midrange with 2 guys on him and gets blocked
Those aren't just random cherry-picked plays, those were the biggest plays of the game. It's not just that he fukks the plays up, it's that he's running the sort of plays you might run if Derek Fisher was your point guard. Where is the next-level skill that makes him the greatest to ever do it?
Please, anyone, just post the counterexample. Show me video of Magic Johnson making next-level PG plays in the halfcourt in critical moments. Please.
The fact that were comparing a small forward with one of the best point guard shows how great LeGoat really is.
U gotta be drunk. Hell y'all say Bron started brehs in the league drinking wine which is a damn lie. If u had connections and understood who is who. Carmelo Anthony aka Hoodie Melo been an oenophile since Denver.
Breh, this is his FIRST game in the NBA. At 18yo having never played above the high school level. And he's making NBA PG-level passes already:
0:20 pretty touch on the alley-oop just 1 minute into his NBA career
1:44 great lookaway bounce pass on the fast break
3:44 drives into the defense, elevates, then dumps behind into his blind spot to hit the cutter in stride
3:57 pushes the ball with a pass half the length of the court to steal the open 3
5:35 takes advantage of the broken play to find the baseline cut man behind two other guys for the easy alley-oop
6:20 elevates as if to dunk and then launches the ball across the court for the open 3
9 assists in his first NBA game at just 18yo. None of them playing "Bron ball". 5.9 assists/game at 18 (most ever for a guy coming straight out of high school), 7.2 assists/game at 19, by 24 he was averaging 8.6 assists/game, trailing only Nash, CP3, Deron, Rondo, and Kidd.
"But it took him 20 years to learn to point point"
This is Bron with 41 points and 13 assists at just 19 against one of the best defensive squads in the NBA:
Ya mans is mistaken
Bron may not be a “pure” PG in the way traditionalists view basketball, but there’s no denying he was an absolute force and demon as your “offensive initiator” for a looooong stretch of his prime
And if that’s essentially the point of discussion, you’re just arguing semantics
Magic was the better PG in the sense that Kidd and Stockton were superior PGs for their era and all time
But there’s better offensive anchors than “pure PGs.” And in that case, LeBron > Magic to me
Who cares about “pure PG.”
Anchoring and winning >
And if that’s essentially the point of discussion, you’re just arguing semantics
Magic was the better PG in the sense that Kidd and Stockton were superior PGs for their era and all time
But there’s better offensive anchors than “pure PGs.” And in that case, LeBron > Magic to me
Who cares about “pure PG.”
Anchoring and winning >
Amare's Right Hook
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Nah, but he definitely traveled more.
I'll take Magic's passing over Lebron's passing any day
Hathaway
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Good points
Bryan Danielson
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In all fairness, a lot of players played long. Some longer than Bron and don’t have the stats he has it close.
Not saying you but some act like Bron is the only NBA player with the longest career Ever.
Acting like Vince Carter, Robert Parrish, Kevin Willis, Kevin Garnett don’t exist lol
Can you show why?
Magic has tons of fastbreak highlights, but in the halfcourt I still haven't seen any Magic stan explain what Magic does there that they think is better than Bron. Y'all gotta break it down or show some video clips or something already. Whole thread and we still don't have a single positive Magic video yet.
He wasn't as strong a ballhandler so he couldn't really break down the defense off the dribble. He ran basic-ass plays and more often than not made the easiest pass. He was a turnover machine.
On the fast break Magic was one of the greatest passers ever, but in the half-court I'm not seeing the justification to call him more than above-average. He had a ton of scorers with size and a lot of the time he was just dumping into them and letting them beat guys.
So is Lebron
we really doing this? 