My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

[Ego Noir]

Fort Greene and Bed Stuy are still majority black. A lot of winners for the greenest block awards have come from black hoods.

Photos: Hunting For The Greenest Block In Brooklyn: Gothamist

Edit: Fort Greene is probably 50/50.

Deceptive stats.

Fort Greene projects is lumped into any population stats you may see in Fort Greene. Same goes for Clinton Hil. Im in Fort Greene/Clinton Hill everyday. The vast majority of people you encounter on the streets will be white. As far as neighborhood residents, the black presence you see would be the BW/WM couples littered amongst that. Only other black presence I encounter are the winos, drunks, and obvious project folk.

Its not until you go deep into bedstuy, east of Nostrand avenue do you see a legitimate black population. Fort Greene and Clinton Hill is gone breh.

If youre looking for a beautiful, beautiful neighborhood well known for its greenery and restored brownstones that still has a strong black presence, the Stuyvesant Heights Historic District of Bedstuy is your zone.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

O yea that strip down past Empire

Beautiful and still "real" BK.

 

[mson]

Deceptive stats.

Fort Greene projects is lumped into any population stats you may see in Fort Greene. Same goes for Clinton Hil. Im in Fort Greene/Clinton Hill everyday. The vast majority of people you encounter on the streets will be white. As far as neighborhood residents, the black presence you see would be the BW/WM couples littered amongst that. Only other black presence I encounter are the winos, drunks, and obvious project folk.

Its not until you go deep into bedstuy, east of Nostrand avenue do you see a legitimate black population. Fort Greene and Clinton Hill is gone breh.

If youre looking for a beautiful, beautiful neighborhood well known for its greenery and restored brownstones that still has a strong black presence, the Stuyvesant Heights Historic District of Bedstuy is your zone.

There are more black people besides the project and IR couples. Obviously I count the project folks in any stat line.

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

There are more black people besides the project and IR couples. Obviously I count the project folks in any stat line.

Besides Crown Heights, what other black neighborhood that is close to subway transportation and affordable do you think would be a good buy? I was thinking of moving to Flatbush, perhaps in the historic district over there (between Maple st, Midwood St and Flatbush and Bedford but there arent much trains that run over there and I still have the face when I look at the prices of the homes although the streets are pristine. I also had my eye on Prospect Park Southwest by Parkside avenue as well but I heard they break into cars over there at night when parked on the streets

 

[Ego Noir]

There are more black people besides the project and IR couples. Obviously I count the project folks in any stat line.

Thats my point, each project has about 50k residents. In fort greene/clinton hill combined theres like 3 of them. So lumping those into the statistics gives an inaccurate representation of the dynamics of the neighborhood. Fort Greene changes drastically once you're south of Myrtle ave in Fort Greene proper.

Clearly im not speaking in absolutes, but the black population is dwindling fast. From when I was in that brownstone belt heavy from 2011 on, year by year I watched cacs push strongly into Fort Greene/Clinton Hill to where the aforementioned neighborhoods are nothing like it was even 2 years ago. Populationwise and pricewise.


I do real estate as well, and your average unrenovated 2 bedroom is $3000+. I can tell you right now from the clients I have and seen 95% are either white or BW/WM couples. Black people in Brooklyn are just not at the bracket when it comes to buying or renting in Fort Greene or Clinton Hill.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

I said it early on this thread.....

Yall want them prices to stabilize and come down and more inventory at the same damn time....

better open up Staten Island .....
and send a subway or light rail across them waters ....

Sad thing is the proposed subway to NJ got more traction than any train to SI

 

[Ego Noir]

Besides Crown Heights, what other black neighborhood that is close to subway transportation and affordable do you think would be a good buy? I was thinking of moving to Flatbush, perhaps in the historic district over there (between Maple st, Midwood St and Flatbush and Bedford but there arent much trains that run over there and I still have the face when I look at the prices of the homes although the streets are pristine. I also had my eye on Prospect Park Southwest by Parkside avenue as well but I heard they break into cars over there at night when parked on the streets

What budget you talking?

 

[King Crimson]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/mayor-de-blasio-announces-10-year-affordable-housing-plan

I hope he sticks to this plan. If he can pull it off, he has my vote next term.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Besides Crown Heights, what other black neighborhood that is close to subway transportation and affordable do you think would be a good buy? I was thinking of moving to Flatbush, perhaps in the historic district over there (between Maple st, Midwood St and Flatbush and Bedford but there arent much trains that run over there and I still have the face when I look at the prices of the homes although the streets are pristine. I also had my eye on Prospect Park Southwest by Parkside avenue as well but I heard they break into cars over there at night when parked on the streets

It's not really black, but South Bronx is a good buy. There's actually Victorian multi-family homes to be had there that's 5-10 minutes from the subway, which are 400k or less.

 

[mson]

Thats my point, each project has about 50k residents. In fort greene/clinton hill combined theres like 3 of them. So lumping those into the statistics gives an inaccurate representation of the dynamics of the neighborhood. Fort Greene changes drastically once you're south of Myrtle ave in Fort Greene proper.

Clearly im not speaking in absolutes, but the black population is dwindling fast. From when I was in that brownstone belt heavy from 2011 on, year by year I watched cacs push strongly into Fort Greene/Clinton Hill to where the aforementioned neighborhoods are nothing like it was even 2 years ago. Populationwise and pricewise.


I do real estate as well, and your average unrenovated 2 bedroom is $3000+. I can tell you right now from the clients I have and seen 95% are either white or BW/WM couples. Black people in Brooklyn are just not at the bracket when it comes to buying or renting in Fort Greene or Clinton Hill.

I was just talking to a co worker about this today. She went on a neighborhood tour and it was cac central. It doesn't even matter because once it's summer time it becomes a diverse hang out. The afro punk festival is always live.

 

[Wild self]

The people living in the crappy(pre-gentrified) neighborhoods did nothing all these years to make their neighborhood better, now that other people are coming in and making it better, they complain.. Low income people don't even have the decency to keep their buildings clean.

And as far as culture, you have got to be kidding? like Bushwick or 125th has any kind of culture you would want to live around..

When your entire life (and your family's going back generations) has been somewhat supported or even completely funded by the government and landlords who are stuck with you because of draconian laws, this is what happens eventually. Money talks baby, everyone knows that.

Stop sitting around complaining about the day someone might come with a fist full of dollars to boot you out of your Section 8 slice of heaven. And this obviously has nothing to do with hard working hispanics & blacks who aren't about fukkery..much respect to them


As far as neighborhoods getting better services? Middle class people of any color tend to be quicker to speak up and make the system work for them. Especially if you're a homeowner--you have a vested interest in making the neighborhood look good, improving the school ratings, all these things that will pay off for you.

Whereas in my observation poverty fosters a passive mentality, a "you can't win no matter what you do" idea that can be very entrenched and difficult to shake off. Newcomers bring in their skills in mobilizing people to complain and hold politicians accountable. First thing that they do is take over the Community Board.

Also, Gentrification doesn't always involve white people. It's a class/money thing. There are many BLACKS with money returning to Harlem. Gentifiers can be of any race.

This thread reminds of me that Spike rant from months ago..dude was born in GEORGIA. Like HALF the people in NYC, he was not even born here (and that extends to many of the poor as well). Dude is a transplant that is into the arts and wears thick black frame glasses...he just beat the "whites" by a couple decades.

@ this post. Too many people never think of ownership like that and it is fukking them up bad.

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

It's not really black, but South Bronx is a good buy. There's actually Victorian multi-family homes to be had there that's 5-10 minutes from the subway, which are 400k or less.

@Ego Eimis I am thinking more along the lines of 850k to 1m. When I bought 10 years ago I looked in that area and they were 650k. My budget was 400 then. I would ideally like to get in at 850 with 20 percent down and finance the rest.

@Captain_Crunch where in the South Bronx? I would do it but my old lady wants no parts of Harlem or the Bronx. If I could step into a single family victorian like those in Ditmas Park for 400k in the Bx my old lady would just have to

 

[Ego Noir]

@Ego Eimis I am thinking more along the lines of 850k to 1m. When I bought 10 years ago I looked in that area and they were 650k. My budget was 400 then. I would ideally like to get in at 850 with 20 percent down and finance the rest.

@Captain_Crunch where in the South Bronx? I would do it but my old lady wants no parts of Harlem or the Bronx. If I could step into a single family victorian like those in Ditmas Park for 400k in the Bx my old lady would just have to

I strongly suggest you look in neighborhoods on the edge of gentrification, chief example being bedstuy.

If youre looking for a prominent black neighborhood look into stuyvesant heights. The area is really starting to get lit ablaze, if not already. Its a historic district so you wouldnt have to worry about the houses getting dilapated, very close to the A/C, and are brownstones. You can pull some rental income or convert it to a massive single family residence.

The value of your house easily shoot up hundreds of thousands in the next few years. Theres some property there for 850-1mm. IMO very much worth it from an investment point of view.

Plus as blacks we already lost the black boheme (fort greene/clinton hill), as far as the brownstone belt the only area of prominence left is stuyvesant heights.

 

[Kliq_Souf]

Im moving to NY later this year, and I need to be close to LaGuardia in Queens.
People been saying Astoria, Elmhurst and Corona are ok to live in.

Im a young dude, no family, and low maintenance, dont need nothing crazy, but i dont wanna be in the jects.

 

[AB Ziggy]

Im moving to NY later this year, and I need to be close to LaGuardia in Queens.
People been saying Astoria, Elmhurst and Corona are ok to live in.

Im a young dude, no family, and low maintenance, dont need nothing crazy, but i dont wanna be in the jects.

You got a job waiting for you here?