Knicksman20
Superstar
Game winning plays on both ends of the floor & we got the W. So what.
I missed the game again, but looking at the past few pages, some of yall have been saying some absurd sh*t
The nikka that dapped your post was one of them
My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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The nikka that dapped your post was one of them
storyteller
Veteran
I see the reward but bare in mind that the reward requires 3 years of being bad AND nailing the picks. So if KP makes a superstar turn and plays you into 5-8 range, you immediately lower the odds of hitting a blue chip but even with a top 5 pick you could end up with a Darko, Thabeet or a good but not great piece like Rubio. Even if he doesn't and you hit on the next pick; you'll now need KP and other young stud to be top prospects without being good enough to beat out poorly constructed units like the Nets. On top of that, you got some teams that'll hit the trade deadline and purposely tank (like what we did), so the competition gets stiff in the race to the bottom.
Then you gotta worry about the re-ups, which can kill you if you whiff on any pick. If KP and a running mate command max money before you've loaded up the support roles or while you've got holes; you could end up with one offseason to make your big landings. I love the Blazers, but they've got A LOT of money committed already, so unless they can flip a big trade...I'm not sure that their ceiling gets much higher.
IMO, you NEED great scouts to build through the draft and they'll be successful finding you talent anywhere. I mean GS gets named a lot as a darling for building through the draft; but none of their drafted stars are top 5 picks. The Spurs are another example, they had to trade up for Kawhi and develop late picks into contributors. Or the reverse; Sacramento; they've picked no lower than 12th since 2007...Cousins and maybe WCS are what they have to show for it. Or you can look at Boston who have had over 20 picks since 2010 and yet besides Avery Bradley, their key contributors were all acquired by other means (I guess you can throw Smart in); and that's not to say they're in a bad situation...just that they've been swinging on these picks like mad and yet trades and FA has been where their core truly formed.
And none of that's to say tanking isn't a good strategy or that it can't/won't work. Just that a lot of heads act like tanking is a guarantee; but it's far from it. My theory is as simple as; a good GM will find ways to acquire talent as long as he has SOME form of flexibility. It doesn't have to be picks; it usually takes a good mix of FA's, youth pick ups and right time/right place trades...but the good ones will find a way as long as they have some room to work. Jury's out on Phil there, but I do like that he maintains flexibility; because if the Knicks hit the offseason with near max cap space, a first round pick and a growing core of good to solid pieces...a good GM will be able to build that up regardless of having the first pick or the 30th in the draft.
How are the wolves looking with all those blue chip players? The tank and get young guys is a myth. How did that work for Denver when they traded Melo? It never works out how you think it will; the NBA and NBA talent are too unpredictable.
Ball or Fultz isn't worth putting out a bad basketball product for 2 years imo. Only one team can win a ring.
Cats SWEAR up & down that tanking & stocking prospects is the sure way when it hasn't been all that successful.
ogc163
Superstar
No one has implied or stated that tanking is a guarantee to success, that is a strawman argument. But it is a better alternative to being mediocre and not going anywhere, while other teams spend the next two years giving playing time to their young players and actually figuring it out. Tanking of course involves a great degree of risk but looking at it from a cost-benefit analysis the downside risk vs. the upside tips the scale in favor of being a treadmill team. The GM is of course important in that regard, but it requires an owner and a fan base who are patient enough to build a team with the long term in mind.
James Dolan and Knick fans are a horrible combination because Dolan has been meddlesome with the Knicks in a manner he is not with the Rangers. What is the upside of the current Knick situation? I am open to hearing an argument that places them in a position where they are more than just a second round exit team within the next two-three years, I have not seen an argument being made convincingly anywhere. I think Phil has been decent although the contract he gave Noah was horrible and the NTC he gave Melo was even worse, but he has a boss who will not tolerate a rebuild so I can't fully fault him for those two contracts.
I might have to scale back posting in here, it's too damn negative.
Knicksman20
Superstar
Yall say this like you didn't draft Porzingis after tanking, and most of you dudes wanted Okafor
onelastdeath
Banned
Yall say this like you didn't draft Porzingis after tanking, and most of you dudes wanted Okafor
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
The Knicks were garbage. That doesn't mean they tanked. If they were really tryna lose on purpose they wouldn't have put their all into beating Atlanta down the stretch (Timmy wuddup)
Yall say this like you didn't draft Porzingis after tanking, and most of you dudes wanted Okafor
It should be catch and shoot-Melo all day, but he doesn't seem to want to accept that.Is it Iso-Melo or Come thru-Melo
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
I promise you, you'll feel better one way or another watching the Knicks doing this.
You'll enjoy the NBA more.
