Nancy Pelosi and a young disillusioned millennial

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:stopitslime:FUKK DIS HOE

I still blame her for why the Bern didn't win the Dem nomination.

She lowkey damned us all
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When are ya'll going to start blaming Bernie? It's ironic that you all are blaming the DNC, Hillary, and any other democrat for Bernie not winning despite the current president having none to very little backing from the republicans during the primaries? :camby:
 

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All these sheltered we are the world white people are only acting like this because of white guilt and ignorance. How could people who've never known financial struggle somehow be so insightful on poverty?

So would you rather them be unconcerned with the workings of the system and fully supportive of its rapacious nature?
 

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The message here is whether Dem, Republican or other Amerikkka is living and dying on this capitalist shyt. It doesn't even matter who is president, higher forces make sure that is the case. If the left really wants that change it will take a civil war. Capitalist are not going out like that on some 'we were voted out'. They playing for keeps you have to kill all or most of them to change America from capitalism to something else IMO.
 

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When are ya'll going to start blaming Bernie? It's ironic that you all are blaming the DNC, Hillary, and any other democrat for Bernie not winning despite the current president having none to very little backing from the republicans during the primaries? :camby:

Im not interested in any comparison between the two. Current president resorted to sensationalism, demagoguery and entertainment to gain the attention of, in most cases, uneducated voters. Nothing done during his campaign can be viewed as legitimate imo.

Not saying the Bern would've been a savior or something but atleast we wouldn't be making global enemies on the daily. I now understand there's levels to this government puppet shyt
 

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Im not interested in any comparison between the two. Current president resorted to sensationalism, demagoguery and entertainment to gain the attention of, in most cases, uneducated voters. Nothing done during his campaign can be viewed as legitimate imo.

Not saying the Bern would've been a savior or something but atleast we wouldn't be making global enemies on the daily. I now understand there's levels to this government puppet shyt
I think the reality is it comes down to the voter. Bernie wasn't an also ran candidate, he had exposure, people were able to access and hear his platform. The reality that some people don't want to accept is that a majority of middle class, well to do adults, don't fall that for left or really want to be some progressive. A lot of democrats enjoy the bland, mildly progressive, capitalist, socially aware, less populist brand that Hillary represented. So they chose to vote for her.

Trying to blame other democrats as to why people voted for Trump is just silly to me.

Could the democrats have run a different campaign? Sure. Would it have been more effective? Maybe. Would it have swayed voters from right to left? Not likely. The biggest issue for Clinton was low voter turnout.

The focus should be on why there was low voter turnout? Were people disillusioned by both candidates? Likely. Did many voters stay home because they saw 98% polls and figured they could throw a protest vote because it wouldn't change the outcome? Just as likely. Or did they see the polls at 98% and decide to just stay home because it wouldn't matter anyway? Just as likely.
 

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The reality that some people don't want to accept is that a majority of middle class, well to do adults, don't fall that for left...

Trying to blame other democrats as to why people voted for Trump is just silly to me.

My point exactly. No one politician seems to lean as far left as the Bern. Compared to him conventional dems mind as well be republicans.
I think it was decided early that his plans and the status quo were polar opposites and for the "few" to maintain their current comfort level he couldnt be the nominee. There's no way Donald would've won if he was
 

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I think the reality is it comes down to the voter. Bernie wasn't an also ran candidate, he had exposure, people were able to access and hear his platform. The reality that some people don't want to accept is that a majority of middle class, well to do adults, don't fall that for left or really want to be some progressive. A lot of democrats enjoy the bland, mildly progressive, capitalist, socially aware, less populist brand that Hillary represented. So they chose to vote for her.

Trying to blame other democrats as to why people voted for Trump is just silly to me.

Could the democrats have run a different campaign? Sure. Would it have been more effective? Maybe. Would it have swayed voters from right to left? Not likely. The biggest issue for Clinton was low voter turnout.

The focus should be on why there was low voter turnout? Were people disillusioned by both candidates? Likely. Did many voters stay home because they saw 98% polls and figured they could throw a protest vote because it wouldn't change the outcome? Just as likely. Or did they see the polls at 98% and decide to just stay home because it wouldn't matter anyway? Just as likely.

Okay, several things here:

1. "The reality that some people don't want to accept is that a majority of middle class, well to do adults, don't fall that for left or really want to be some progressive."
- What is the "middle class"? I would contend that classification is a fiction. It is more of an identity tied into the American Dream mythology than a concrete reality. These people are working class; if they lost their jobs, they'd be on the street, and whatever they have beyond food and their lights being on was probably bought on credit.
- Most workers in the U.S. are actually not making much money and live precarious lives (same old story for workers under capitalism). See Exhibits A, B, and C. So is it really what you contend, that most people are happy with how things are, or is the issue really that these people aren't mobilized? You would be correct that most people who voted are mostly happy with how things are, but if you're saying people in general, I would strongly disagree.

2. "The focus should be on why there was low voter turnout?"
- I agree. But when is there ever high voter turnout? The reality is that the system is broken and even when voter turnout is "high," 40% of the voting age population still stays home. Why is that? It's because they feel alienated from the political process because the establishment doesn't represent them and their interests. And they're 100% correct in that, the Democrats do not represent working-class interests, and to get these folks engaged in the political process demands either a real progressive alternative or a revolutionary party. I'll bet my house that the Democratic Party cannot be that vehicle for any extended period of time, it is a capitalist party founded by slaveowners, how could it become a revolutionary party? Ain't gonna happen.

The ultimate issue is that the folks who NEED to be organized, are not, and they don't vote for a variety of reasons, many of them structural and legal to deter class consciousness and mobilization.

As a side note, I take the position that low-information voters on both sides gave us Clinton and Trump for the general election.
 

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Find this cac in about ten years when he's working on Wall Street and see if he feels the same way
 

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Pelosi gets a pass, she sacrificed her party for the country's sake during the financial crisis and for Obama's ambitions.
And she'll still manage to round up her bunch of feral cats to feebly oppose Trump...you think Schumer whose way more powerful can do the same? Manchin damn near calls Obama a nigra nowadays :huhldup:

first black president + first female speaker of the house + low down dirty harry chop blocking = peak Democratic Party :ufdup:
 
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