Nas Has Always Had A Major Weakness That Biggie/Jay-Z Never Have. He’s never been great at…

[Supa]

Does he sound his best on Mid West or trap production? No

Is it a major weakness? No

He only has a handfuls of songs where he has to use that flow so it's not an issue. You got mid West and southern artists who never rhyme over boom bap.

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

He's not as versatile as Jay and BIG

 

[JustCKing]

Put it this way,Biggie and Jay sound like they belong on those beats,and sound comfortable. Nas sounds like he has absolutey no business using those flows,and rhyming over a crunk beat

I think a lot of that is just his energy and delivery more than the fact he can't do a "decent" attempt at those double time flows. Make no mistake,he could never do what Bowwow did here on their collab though

Breh, people have similar criticisms of Biggie and Jay. I have no problems with "Nasty Boy" or "Another", but there's people who have issues with Biggie rhyming over those beats. There's people who had issues with him on "Notorious Thugs". People still cringe at Jay Z's "Ha" verse.

And if you don't think Nas's flow on "Heaven" wasn't a dope double time flow from Nas, you don't belong in this discussion.

 

[JustCKing]

Wait…so now Biggie STRUGGLED on “Notorious Thugs”…word?

Because it wasn't really a double time flow. It was Biggie rapping at a faster pace in some parts of the verse than he normally did. When people say he did the Bine flow better than Bone, it's laughable. It's still a classic verse.

 

[BK The Great]

40 Side was just to prove he can rap on whatever production. People are looking way too deep in things.

 

[Still Benefited]

Breh, people have similar criticisms of Biggie and Jay. I have no problems with "Nasty Boy" or "Another", but there's people who have issues with Biggie rhyming over those beats. There's people who had issues with him on "Notorious Thugs". People still cringe at Jay Z's "Ha" verse.

And if you don't think Nas's flow on "Heaven" wasn't a dope double time flow from Nas, you don't belong in this discussion.

Who the hell are these "people" who have a problem with Biggie over Notorious Thugs? You can't just say that as if it means something,because there are "people" who have a problem with anything. WIth Biggie over Notorious Thugs if anything I see people over rating the hell out of his verse on there,talking about he outclassed Bones with they own flow.I didn't remember Heaven,but yes that flow was dope but I still feel the same. I said I don't think its like he couldn't do a serviceable double time flow like Jay and Nas. But the fact is they still sound better doing it than Nas,it doesn't sound out of character or odd. Maybe its because we are accustomed to them switching their flows to match the beat. I don' t know the reasoning,but none of those guys are Migos or Bone Thugs with the double time flow. Maybe you haven't heard the double time flow enough in your lifetime.

 

[JustCKing]

You can't just say that as if it means something,because there are "people" who have a problem with anything.

Yet here we are and this thread exists.

But the fact is they still sound better doing it than Nas,it doesn't sound out of character or odd.

What other instances are there of Biggie attempting a double time flow? And yes, when Biggie spit his verse on "Notorious Thugs", it was odd and out of character because it was unexpected and completely left field coming from him.

And a double time flow is not simply somebody rapping fast.

Migos rap in a triplet flow, not double time and there's a difference.

 

[head shots101]

Lol did a nig bring flows and mega in the same sentence

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

40 Side was just to prove he can rap on whatever production. People are looking way too deep in things.

Some of us don’t like it. Some of y’all are offended. Simple enough. What’s deep?

 

[Still Benefited]

Yet here we are and this thread exists.




What other instances are there of Biggie attempting a double time flow? And yes, when Biggie spit his verse on "Notorious Thugs", it was odd and out of character because it was unexpected and completely left field coming from him.

And a double time flow is not simply somebody rapping fast.

Migos rap in a triplet flow, not double time and there's a difference.

I don't think Biggie rapped fast on any other songs,but my point is he had varieties of flows,as he changed his flow to match beats.
I think enough people have made this complaint about Nas rapping over "different" beats before though. I have honestly don't think you can say people complaining about Biggie using the double time flow over Notorious Thugs. It was out of character in a good way,as in people were pleasantly surprised. Thats why that verse gets so overrated. People are not pleasantly surprised when they hear Nas using these flows imo. Are any of these songs pointed to as the songs where Nas put on a clinic? I don't think so. They are merely used as references for when people step out and say Nas CANT do it.

My bad,I don't really know the technical terms,I usually just name the flow based on who it sounds like lol. I need to know how many rappers with the sped up flow(double time or triplet) flow you really listen to. If you listen to many I don't think you would be singing Nas praises. I think we basically agree,I'm not saying Jay Nas or Biggie just plain sound better doing it.

 

[spliz]

As I said before Nas has 3-4 pitches he’s going to knock out of the park but there’s certain production I don’t think suits him at all whereas I would be more inclined to hear Big & Jay

Biggie has done this shyt literally ONE time. And not even sqeaky clean, just say u like his voice n shyt. Lol. Jay is the most comfortable and clean rapping fast. But Nas is better at it than Biggie. What made Biggie’s verse dope was the verse itself mixed with his voice. But his flow ain’t crispy on it, and nikkas will get offended at people saying this about Biggie but have no problem saying some bullshyt like Biggie did Bone flow better than them. Like THAT shyt ain’t offensive to Bone being that Biggie didn’t even ATTEMPT to do what they do on a track. nikkas even asking them in interviews and they been having to be political about it over all these years. shyt is corny.

 

[JYoung24]

Using double time flow Nas flowed his ass off on Big Girl just as good as any of those nikkas…. but that fukkin hook is just terrible

facts lol the song is just bad

 

[JustCKing]

I don't think Biggie rapped fast on any other songs,but my point is he had varieties of flows,as he changed his flow to match beats.
I think enough people have made this complaint about Nas rapping over "different" beats before though. I have honestly don't think you can say people complaining about Biggie using the double time flow over Notorious Thugs. It was out of character in a good way,as in people were pleasantly surprised. Thats why that verse gets so overrated. People are not pleasantly surprised when they hear Nas using these flows imo. Are any of these songs pointed to as the songs where Nas put on a clinic? I don't think so. They are merely used as references for when people step out and say Nas CANT do it.

My bad,I don't really know the technical terms,I usually just name the flow based on who it sounds like lol. I need to know how many rappers with the sped up flow(double time or triplet) flow you really listen to. If you listen to many I don't think you would be singing Nas praises. I think we basically agree,I'm not saying Jay Nas or Biggie just plain sound better doing it.

Nas has used a variety of different flows as well especially on God's Son. Never heard anyone complain about how the flows on that album. And when he spit double time on "Heaven", there were no complaints. In fact, it is often cited as one of Nas's best songs.

And let's be honest, "Notorious Thugs" is not a clinic on flow either in regard to Biggie.

I listen to a lot of rappers who employ double time or triplet flows (and a triplet flow really isn't sped up, but the pacing can make it sound that way). Bone, Twista, Three Six Mafia, Eminem, Mystikal, Ludacris, Busta Rhymes, etc.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Is Nas the best at club/hoes tracks? Of course not. But the ones on this new album are pretty good? My only problem with YKTV is the annoying ass voice at the beginning/end. The actual beat, rapping, hook etc are fine.

40 Side is dope. Only flaw is parts of the flow on the first verse sound like he's reading lyrics doing that flow. Overall tho it's dope. Nas and Hov had to learn how to rap on trap. There were pitfalls (Nas' tracks with Future, nearly all of MCHG). But they figured it out. That duo album with Beyonce was the first time I felt like Jay got it right.

 

[JustCKing]

I don't even know why Jay is even mentioned in this regard. He came in the game with Jaz-O and was attempting these glows way back when. He brought it back on "nikka What, nikka Who", which is one of my favorite Jay Z songs, still didn't come off as effortless as Jaz-O.