Nas "The Set Up" Prod. Havoc

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The Coli narrative that IWW didn't deserve backlash is, and will forever be jokes :dead:

It's a great album but the nikka went from spitting rhymes on a park bench to putting on pink suits, trying to get cute and fronting like he's mobbed up :heh:
 

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ok word got you my G. old soul with the goat d.o.c. avy but really was rockin out to miguel and drake at his prom :pachaha:

nah but again, there is a generational dissonance here with the perception. most flabby & sick heads my age are not perusing internet message boards in disproportionate numbers so the '80 joe budden and younger crowd represent the hip hop oligarchy who sets the benchmark for what 90's hip hop was and was not. which is fine, no hate. but literally nobody yeezy's age or older thinks of it was written as being a more polished project than illmatic. it was a totally different trajectory period

it dropped in '96, one of the single greatest years in hip hop history and the feel was more all eyez on me than it was camp lo uptown saturday night. neither is bad or wrong, but different. it was written, unlike illmatic, was a commercial rap album cooked up with steve and the trackmasters to reach the intended goal of multi-platinum status and becoming a household name & that wasn't gonna happen with new york-centric boom bap and rhyming about rhymes like it ain't hard to tell or one time 4 your mind. in 1996 that illmatic audience still existed heavy and they were on that heltah skeltah nocturnal, roots illadelph halflife, de la soul stakes is high, and oc jewelz (really '97 but fukk with me tho) which was the other side of the 90's hip hop civil war that had nothing to do with east or west
I'm 27 myself but I always thought it was obvious It Was Written was a more commercial album, just down to the content and the fact that he had Trackmasters, fresh off an LL Cool J album, doing the production. Illmatic was super NYC boom bap production while IWW he's kicking gangsta shyt over glossy beats.

Nas talked gangsta shyt on Illmatic but it was more as just a general knucklehad kid in the hood. On IWW he's a superthug, trying to fit in that hardcore mode that was hot in NYC. Granted, he'd been on that tip since Eye for an Eye in '94, but still. Songs like Watch Dem nikkas, Take It In Blood, Live nikka Rap, shyt really the whole album 'cept for If I Ruled The World and I Gave You Power are completely incongruous with Illmatic.
 

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ok word got you my G. old soul with the goat d.o.c. avy but really was rockin out to miguel and drake at his prom :pachaha:

nah but again, there is a generational dissonance here with the perception. most flabby & sick heads my age are not perusing internet message boards in disproportionate numbers so the '80 joe budden and younger crowd represent the hip hop oligarchy who sets the benchmark for what 90's hip hop was and was not. which is fine, no hate. but literally nobody yeezy's age or older thinks of it was written as being a more polished project than illmatic. it was a totally different trajectory period

it dropped in '96, one of the single greatest years in hip hop history and the feel was more all eyez on me than it was camp lo uptown saturday night. neither is bad or wrong, but different. it was written, unlike illmatic, was a commercial rap album cooked up with steve and the trackmasters to reach the intended goal of multi-platinum status and becoming a household name & that wasn't gonna happen with new york-centric boom bap and rhyming about rhymes like it ain't hard to tell or one time 4 your mind. in 1996 that illmatic audience still existed heavy and they were on that heltah skeltah nocturnal, roots illadelph halflife, de la soul stakes is high, and oc jewelz (really '97 but fukk with me tho) which was the other side of the 90's hip hop civil war that had nothing to do with east or west

Yep..I’m 40 so I’m who you’re taking about lol .

I will say though lyrically I don’t think Nas watered himself down or compromised himself on IWW.

I actually think he got better overall lyrically on IWW especially with storytelling.

As for your last point younger people don’t realize there was as you said a civil war between mainstream and underground hiphop back then.

People like Biggie got sh1t a lot for being too commercial and mainstream.
 

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Yep..I’m 40 so I’m who you’re taking about lol .

I will say though lyrically I don’t think Nas watered himself down or compromised himself on IWW.

I actually think he got better overall lyrically on IWW especially with storytelling.

As for your last point younger people don’t realize there was as you said a civil war between mainstream and underground hiphop back then.

People like Biggie got sh1t a lot for being too commercial and mainstream.
I mean, as far as his actual rapping ability he's better than on Illmatic but substance wise it's shallow as fukk.
 

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The Coli narrative that IWW didn't deserve backlash is, and will forever be jokes :dead:

It's a great album but the nikka went from spitting rhymes on a park bench to putting on pink suits, trying to get cute and fronting like he's mobbed up :heh:

you’re talking about videos though not lyrical content

He stepped up lyrically on IWW imo especially storytelling wise.

People get on him for some of the mafioso lyrics which I don’t get since legends like G Rap and WU used very well but never got sh1t for it
 

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Nah, not even that - it not that it's rappity rap, it's that he's spitting a bunch of generic Mafia :duck: 's

Oh you meant on IWW not Illmatic yes but it was kinda overblown it wasn’t on every track.

G Rap and WU never got sh1t for it. Nor should have Nas

Back then it was about just saying the flyest dopest sounding sh1t regardless of content
 

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Oh you meant on IWW not Illmatic yes but it was kinda overblown it wasn’t on every track.

G Rap and WU never got sh1t for it. Nor should have Nas

Back then it was about just saying the flyest dopest sounding sh1t regardless of content
G Rap and Raekwon were kicking that shyt from the beginning. Raekwon was talking about the same shyt he was kicking on OB4CL on Can It Be and C.R.E.A.M. With Nas, first you're the guy talking from the Project Bench and now all of a sudden you're a drug dealing superthug? It immediately came off as transparent, following trends.

Biggie kinda did the same shyt but he was talking about selling drugs all on Ready to Die and Warning approached MobTales territory already. So on LAD it was just an exaggeration of what he'd already been doing.
 

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G Rap and Raekwon were kicking that shyt from the beginning. Raekwon was talking about the same shyt he was kicking on OB4CL on Can It Be and C.R.E.A.M. With Nas, first you're the guy talking from the Project Bench and now all of a sudden you're a drug dealing superthug? It immediately came off as transparent, following trends.

Biggie kinda did the same shyt but he was talking about selling drugs all on Ready to Die and Warning approached MobTales territory already. So on LAD it was just an exaggeration of what he'd already been doing.

Fair but I do think it’s overblown. It’s not every track he has tons of just storytelling or non mafioso tracks on there.

Also I think the beats play apart I thinking it’s a totally different style.

If you listen to the lyrics on say represent it’s pretty agressive just like a lot of IWW tracks it’s just over a classic book bap beat instead of a hardcore havoc beat or track master mainstream sound
 

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Fair but I do think it’s overblown. It’s not every track he has tons of just storytelling or non mafioso tracks on there.

Also I think the beats play apart I thinking it’s a totally different style.

If you listen to the lyrics on say represent it’s pretty agressive just like a lot of IWW tracks it’s just over a classic book bap beat instead of a hardcore havoc beat or track master mainstream sound
Represent is aggressive but in a more grounded way. He's just a knucklehead from the projects on that one, not this big time gangsta.
 

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I believe The female voice on this track is may not be Foxy Brown or it may be Foxy.

I dont think anybody really knows except Nas and Havoc
 

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Represent is aggressive but in a more grounded way. He's just a knucklehead from the projects on that one, not this big time gangsta.

why would any rapper on there second album rap about the project bench or being a knuckle head. After biggie and nas first albums they blew up financially, why would they rap about being a knuckle head. People grow. Rap was changing.
 

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why would any rapper on there second album rap about the project bench or being a knuckle head. After biggie and nas first albums they blew up financially, why would they rap about being a knuckle head. People grow. Rap was changing.
Boy are you being dense as fukk here :mjlol:

They talk about their drug dealing in the past tense. As they progress they move further from that past but exaggerate how major that past was. It's nothing like Jay-Z progressing from drug dealing to flossing - they're acting like they were always on that shyt, when they weren't.
 
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