Nas wrote Men in Black and Miami?

[Al Simmons]

NaS co-wrote, "Men in Black, Chasing Forever, Just Crusing and Yes, Yes, Yall". He ghostwrote "Gettin Jiggy Wit It" which is why he wasn't on the credits to that song. Will was on Sony/Columbia just like NaS and as I said in my Source Awards post, Will fell off during the Gangsta Era cause nobody wanted to hear PG music.

So he went and got a Street Lyricist like NaS to help him with his rhymes which was hypocritical since he was dissing Hard Core Hip Hop at the time. But back then nobody really knew NaS worked on the album, it didn't really come out until a few years later even though you could read his name on some of the credits. Also NaS has done dumb down commercial tracks. It's just they never really blew up. It's a myth that NaS never went commercial lyrically cause he has.

"Oochie Wally" was clearly dumb down, there was nothing lyrical about that verse. The thing is NaS isn't really a "Commercial" emcee so though he's swam in those waters he never went to the deep end and stayed out there like most emcees. Big and Jay were more natural with the club records than NaS ever was. But Will owes a lot of the success of "Big Willie Style" to NaS. NaS lyrics helped keep a street element in a real Pop album. This song was hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WnzXaDFuNo

Oochie Wally is a posse cut and was on a compilation album b.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Oochie Wally is a posse cut and was on a compilation album b.

What does that have to do with NaS weak verse? The fact is it was a commercial song and NaS spit your average weak commercial verse on it. I didn't need Jay to know that verse wasn't up to NaS standards.

"Who wants to be a millionaire but my name ain't Regis"

Really Esco?

 

[wire28]

nas also ghostwrote other classics such as





he has done alot he just keeps it on the low

 

[spliz]

Don't come at me with that bytchy attitude like what I said hurts your feelings. I haven't made anything up. Nas has clearly dumbed down in his music throughout his career to reach a wider audience, but because he hasn't come out and said it you don't realize it. He dumbed down for IWW which is why the album initially received a lot of backlash from some fans. A lot of you are just plain slow and need to be spoonfed.

How the hell could u say an album that has tracks like I Gave You Power and Take It In Blood is dumbed down?..that is NOT the reason IWW got hate...ur wrong...IWW caught flack because people called it commercial...the nikka is even spittin on If I Ruled The World...dumbed down?...smh..u dont know what u even talkin bout g...if anything..his style was more polished and less raw...and alotta people liked that rawness of Illmatic as well...u nikkas dont even know how to hate Nas right..smh..

 

[spliz]

NaS co-wrote, "Men in Black, Chasing Forever, Just Crusing and Yes, Yes, Yall". He ghostwrote "Gettin Jiggy Wit It" which is why he wasn't on the credits to that song. Will was on Sony/Columbia just like NaS and as I said in my Source Awards post, Will fell off during the Gangsta Era cause nobody wanted to hear PG music.

So he went and got a Street Lyricist like NaS to help him with his rhymes which was hypocritical since he was dissing Hard Core Hip Hop at the time. But back then nobody really knew NaS worked on the album, it didn't really come out until a few years later even though you could read his name on some of the credits. Also NaS has done dumb down commercial tracks. It's just they never really blew up. It's a myth that NaS never went commercial lyrically cause he has.

"Oochie Wally" was clearly dumb down, there was nothing lyrical about that verse. The thing is NaS isn't really a "Commercial" emcee so though he's swam in those waters he never went to the deep end and stayed out there like most emcees. Big and Jay were more natural with the club records than NaS ever was. But Will owes a lot of the success of "Big Willie Style" to NaS. NaS lyrics helped keep a street element in a real Pop album. This song was hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WnzXaDFuNo

Oochie Wally isnt even his song...the version with him on it wasnt even on the QB's Finest album..he just hopped on the remix...

 

[MustafaSTL]

nas also ghostwrote other classics such as

Nelly - Ride Wit Me ft. St. Lunatics - YouTube

Ludacris - What's Your Fantasy ft. Shawnna - YouTube

he has done alot he just keeps it on the low

He wrote those? I don't know about Ride wit Me though. Being from St. Louis I know he recorded most of that album before anybody knew what a Nelly was. Hard to imagine Nas writing a verse for some nikka from St. Louis nobody ever heard of to that point.

 

[mortuus est]

He wrote those?

 

[Rapmastermind]

Oochie Wally isnt even his song...the version with him on it wasnt even on the QB's Finest album..he just hopped on the remix...

So now if it's not NaS song he didn't dumb down? Remix or not he dropped a dumb down commercial verse did he not? I don't understand the debate here? Cause if you look throughout NaS whole catalog he has done some commercial tracks and some of those were dumb down like a lot of rapper's commercial tracks.

It's just NaS commercial tracks don't always do well on the charts but that doesn't mean he's never done them cause he has. I'm willing to say outside of "ILLmatic", he had a commercial-sounding song on every LP. Look at "Summer on Smash", was that even lyrical? Or what about "Make the world go round", he wasn't spitting like that on either of those tracks. So this idea that NaS never dumb down on a track is false.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

"Oochie Wally" was clearly dumb down, there was nothing lyrical about that verse. The thing is NaS isn't really a "Commercial" emcee so though he's swam in those waters he never went to the deep end and stayed out there like most emcees. Big and Jay were more natural with the club records than NaS ever was. But Will owes a lot of the success of "Big Willie Style" to NaS. NaS lyrics helped keep a street element in a real Pop album.

There's nothin lyrical about most naS verses... "Oochie Wally" is a typical naS verse, he gets flack for it because the song is fukcin terrible.

He did not dumb down his lyrics...

 

[wire28]

He wrote those? I don't know about Ride wit Me though. Being from St. Louis I know he recorded most of that album before anybody knew what a Nelly was. Hard to imagine Nas writing a verse for some nikka from St. Louis nobody ever heard of to that point.

i know its crazy, his work ethic was off the charts back then, he did this too



all they did was tell him what the hook was gonna be and he did the rest

 

[Rapmastermind]

There's nothin lyrical about most naS verses... "Oochie Wally" is a typical naS verse, he gets flack for it because the song is fukcin terrible.

He did not dumb down his lyrics...

Actually 'Oochie Wally" is a hood club banger and got mad spins. It only gets hate cause it was NaS. Same as "You Owe Me" which was a club banger also. Had Jay did either of those song people wouldn't hate on them. The issue is the whole "Club" thing just isn't NaS lane but he understood he had to make those songs to compete with the competition.

Big had club records, Pac had club records, Jay had club records. NaS realized he wouldn't survive without doing those types of songs. But because again he sounds kinda akward on club records fans love to hate on them. But NaS has been on some club bangers it's just the purist will never let him live. NaS was featured on Missy's "Hot Boys" which is the longest running #1 single in Hip Hop History on the Rap charts.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

How the hell could u say an album that has tracks like I Gave You Power and Take It In Blood is dumbed down?..that is NOT the reason IWW got hate...ur wrong...IWW caught flack because people called it commercial...the nikka is even spittin on If I Ruled The World...dumbed down?...smh..u dont know what u even talkin bout g...if anything..his style was more polished and less raw...and alotta people liked that rawness of Illmatic as well...u nikkas dont even know how to hate Nas right..smh..

dog you sayin what i say... nicca was spittin on most of IWW. nicca was polished and makin good songs... im just not seein how someone can look at the lyrics on his first album then look at the lyrics on IWW and say those shyts are even remotely close. naS just got got much better on IWW.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Actually 'Oochie Wally" is a hood club banger and got mad spins. It only gets hate cause it was NaS. Same as "You Owe Me" which was a club banger also. Had Jay did either of those song people wouldn't hate on them. The issue is the whole "Club" thing just isn't NaS lane but he understood he had to make those songs to compete with the competition.

Big had club records, Pac had club records, Jay had club records. NaS realized he wouldn't survive without doing those types of songs. But because again he sounds kinda akward on club records fans love to hate on them. But NaS has been on some club bangers it's just the purist will never let him life.

"owe me" was straight... I dont hate that track... one of my college bust downs used to get down to that on "our" CD... Genuine with that "So Anxious" and "Owe Me" back to back...

 

[MustafaSTL]

i know its crazy, his work ethic was off the charts back then, he did this too

Ying Yang Twins - Say I Yi Yi - YouTube

all they did was tell him what the hook was gonna be and he did the rest

Ok,

 

[Rapmastermind]

One thing I will credit NaS for is out of all the GOAT's from his era (Pac, Big, Jay). NaS dropped the least commercial singles as his main singles.