Nash won 2 MVPs and Kobe avg exploded right after hand checking removed
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Coli Hoecomb
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Because they werent watching ball back then
Supreme365
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he’s top 5 all time in career ppg average
Top 5 in playoffs ppg average
All time leader in points scored in the playoffs
And he’s on pace to break Kareem’s all time scoring record
What exactly are you laughing at?
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The only year that these Raptors won a single game past the first round was 2016. This is too easy. You aren't even worthy of being my opponent.
LONGEVITY AND CIRCUMSTANCE
IF U WATCH HIM PLAY AND THINK HE’S A TOP 5 SCORER BASED ON ACTUAL ABILITY AND NOT JUS NUMBERS, U A DAMN FOOL
KEVIN DURANT IS A FAR SUPERIOR SCORER TO LEBRON. U KNOW THAT, RIGHT?
Bigblackted4
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Is Shaq a top 5 scorer ever
Bigblackted4
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This is a half truth, I’m a Cavs fan, I watched Bron and Kyrie iso Ball they way to whatever they want
Supreme365
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I’ve yet to see Kd constantly take over games in the playoffs the way Bron has
I’ve watched Bron dismantle defenses consistently since Detroit in 07
You might not like how Bron averages 30 or goes off for 50 but it doesn’t change the fact that he got those buckets
YOU DONT GET IT .. LEBRON SCORES HIS POINTS OFF OPPORTUNITY, NOT SHEER WILL. THE FACT THAT HE IS A PASS-FIRST PLAYER WITH A LIMITED OFFENSIVE ARSENAL HAS HIM REGULARLY DEFENDED 1-ON-1, UNLIKE THE TOP SCORERS IN THE GAME THAT ALWAYS COMMANDED DOUBLE N TRIPLE TEAMS DUE TO THEIR SCORING ABILITY.... THATS WHY I SAY ITS CIRCUMSTANCIAL .. BUT IF U ONLY GO BASED OFF OF NUMBERS AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY WATCHING GAMES, I CAN SEE HOW U WONT RECOGNIZE ALL THAT.
Supreme365
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Arguably in my opinion the top 5 scorers are in no particular order
Bron
Mj
Wilt
Cap
Kd
Supreme365
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Was 07 vs Detroit not sheer will
Game 7 2013 finals
2016 finals
2012/13 ecf finals
Stop stanning and watch games
It's like they're not even trying.
This guy was, what, 5 years old during Terry Porter's peak? Where did he even come up with that idea? What part of Porter's skill set could he possibly think would be destroying Kyle Lowry? 
The NBA makes rules all the time to make scoring harder if it's not the kind of scoring they want to see. Widening the lane because Mikan was too dominant, widening it again because Wilt was too dominant, banning excessive elbow-swinging by offensive players because big guys were using it to clear out too much, pushing the three-point line back out because spacing was bad, and allowing zone defenses because teams were playing too much isolation with their superstars are all examples of the NBA making rules to make scoring harder because they didn't like what those kinds of scoring were doing to the game.
Are you serious?
Kobe made the jump to 35ppg because he started shooting 25 times a game since Shaq was gone. Before that he was already shooting about 49-50% on two-pointers every year from 1999 to 2002 and averaged 30ppg in 2003. And that's when he was young and his game was still raw. He improved after that, but the lack of hand-checking didn't do anything for him. When Pau came to the Lakers and Kobe's touches went down, he immediately dropped to 25-27ppg, and that was during his Finals MVP peak. This is obvious.
Hand-checking was first banned in 1979: "Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through “rigid enforcement” of rule allowing a defensive player to retain contact with his opponent so long as he does not impede his opponent’s progress." And then even that kind was banned in 1995, "Hand-checking eliminated from the end line in the backcourt to the opposite foul line."
Ya'all WAY overrate what they were doing on a regular basis. Show me again where the scary handchecking is stopping scoring in this video. This is the FINALS, both teams supposedly have great defenders on the perimeter, and yet they're at an arm's length 90% of the time and blowing by guys at will.
You want to compare that to the way that Durant/Iggy/Draymond lay hands on LeBron?
That's a ridiculous exaggeration - if it were true, the Cavs would have been unstoppable.
The existence of zones means that teams can play LeBron like this if they wanted to:
YOURE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO WATCH GAMES INSTEAD OF BASING YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT OFF OF NUMBERS
LEBRON CAN SCORE, NO DOUBT - BUT TO CALL HIM A TOP 5 SCORER IS RETARDED. PERIOD.
KILL YOURSELF