Supreme365
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I just gave you whole series where lebron got crucial buckets against the top defenses i said nothing about numbers you just chose to ignore his great moments that’s on you
Wether you like it or not he’s one of the goat scorers
Nash won 2 MVPs and Kobe avg exploded right after hand checking removed
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I just gave you whole series where lebron got crucial buckets against the top defenses i said nothing about numbers you just chose to ignore his great moments that’s on you
Wether you like it or not he’s one of the goat scorers
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desjardins
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Are you serious?
Kobe made the jump to 35ppg because he started shooting 25 times a game since Shaq was gone. Before that he was already shooting about 49-50% on two-pointers every year from 1999 to 2002 and averaged 30ppg in 2003. And that's when he was young and his game was still raw. He improved after that, but the lack of hand-checking didn't do anything for him. When Pau came to the Lakers and Kobe's touches went down, he immediately dropped to 25-27ppg, and that was during his Finals MVP peak. This is obvious.
Hand-checking was first banned in 1979: "Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through “rigid enforcement” of rule allowing a defensive player to retain contact with his opponent so long as he does not impede his opponent’s progress." And then even that kind was banned in 1995, "Hand-checking eliminated from the end line in the backcourt to the opposite foul line."
Ya'all WAY overrate what they were doing on a regular basis. Show me again where the scary handchecking is stopping scoring in this video. This is the FINALS, both teams supposedly have great defenders on the perimeter, and yet they're at an arm's length 90% of the time and blowing by guys at will.
You want to compare that to the way that Durant/Iggy/Draymond lay hands on LeBron?
his game was still raw?
we
talking damn near 9 yrs into his career. Yes usage went up , but he was already taking 20+ shots a game with shaq
df you talking about fam
all his efg% and other advanced stats went up cause it was EASIER for him to score. And if it's easier for your superstar to score obviously you going let him dominate the ball more. shyt is not rocket science bruh
You keep showing that same video like the video I posted don't have examples of hand checking impeding an offensive player
Like NBA Champion Kenny Smith didn't fukking break down to you the difference in baby form for yall to digest
Is it easier to score with someone holding your waist or not!?!?!
Common fukking sense dude
Roland Coltrane
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That's not this Raptors team.
That's not even in this era. That's back in the OTHER era that ya'all are calling the handchecking era.
Did you seriously forget what the argument was about?
9 years into his career?his game was still raw?
we
talking damn near 9 yrs into his career.
1999-2003 was Kobe's 1st-5th seasons starting. NO ONE argues that Kobe had already peaked then. 
I swear I need to block more fools, this is just a waste of time.
Relax you wishing death over a list stop stanning it ain’t that serious
OK NICK WRIGHT
desjardins
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9 years into his career?
I swear I need to block more fools, this is just a waste of time.
Who said anything about peaking? nikka stop creating straw men so your dumb ass argument makes sense
he played 37 minutes a game in the 99 season dumb nikka
and we talking about 05 ANYWAY....after he had already avg 30 pts a game
He was not "raw" muhfukker
It was already ILLEGAL to impede the offensive player's movement since 1979. It was ILLEGAL to handcheck beyond the ft line since 1994.Is it easier to score with someone holding your waist or not!?!?!
Common fukking sense dude
This is your scary hand-checking in the biggest playoff game in 1992. Remember, this is before even the 1994 rule change.
Here's some of the incredible defensive play in the biggest playoff game in 2000. Remember, this is the game where Pippen and Sabonis both fouled out on touch fouls because Shaq and Kobe needed to get theirs at all costs.
And this is the easy light era in the biggest playoff game in 2016. There is MORE contact on the offensive players and MORE in-your-face defense being played, not less. Most of the time guys are only even scoring by running all sorts of off-ball actions and making the extra pass.
No one in their right mind can watch those three clips and think the quality of basketball being played on both ends didn't improve. Just watch the first minute if you don't believe me. The level of sloppiness and defensive laziness 20-30 years ago compared to today is night and day.
Reality is a problem for ya'all, eh?
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That's not this Raptors team.
That's not even in this era. That's back in the OTHER era that ya'all are calling the handchecking era.
Did you seriously forget what the argument was about?
The argument was simply Raptors had never won a game in the 2nd round....I dont connect the handchecking debate in here having anything to do with the Raptors current run....The argument Porter being better than Lowry taking into account era is fraudulent...He played on better teams with a better lead guard as his running mate....Fact is when he went up against the best player of that era he also choked...
Why do you think Kobe playing 37 minutes/game in 1999 helps your argument? It was his 1st season starting, like I said.Who said anything about peaking? nikka stop creating straw men so your dumb ass argument makes sense
he played 37 minutes a game in the 99 season dumb nikka
and we talking about 05 ANYWAY....after he had already avg 30 pts a game
He was not "raw" muhfukker
No we are NOT talking about 2005, I said 1999-2002 and then 2003. You need Lasik?
Kobe shot 25% from three in 2002. If you want to claim he wasn't still raw, that's on you.
'99-'02 Kobe was inferior to prime Kobe, just like '85-'89 Jordan was inferior to prime Jordan and '04-'08 Bron was inferior to prime Bron. Even though all three of them put up some gaudy 30+ppg scoring titles in their early years, they still hadn't developed their games to their peaks.
Kobe in 2005 was a more developed player than Kobe in 1999-2002 and he was taking a lot more shots without Shaq around. Those are both facts. If you don't dispute those, then find something else dumb to argue about.
No, the actual argument was the claim that the Raptors were an example of a team that gets deep in today's era non-hand-checking era without playing good defense. Bringing up the 2001 Raptors has NOTHING to do with that.
I literally have no idea what you're trying to argue now. And I don't believe for a second that you were over 12 years old during Porter's 1989-1993 peak and can make dumb claims like that. Show me a clip that shows literally any skills in which Porter is superior to Lowry.
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Kobe haters are legit retards or cacs under 14Los Angeles Lakers at Sacramento Kings Box Score, May 13, 2001 | Basketball-Reference.com
48 pts on 15-29 shooting in 48 minutes
Supreme365
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What does he have to do with anything