NBA Defenses - Changing the Game
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Kobe and AI had their best seasons scoring wise after the zone was instituted and handchecking was taken away. Lebron had his best year as a scorer in his 3rd year when he could still barely shoot that same year. Zones have impacted the game but dominance is dominance. KD skinny ass got 4 scoring titles in 5 years with a volume shooting PG.
Yeah it has nothing to do with guys getting by on athleticism and or size and not learning the fundamentals of the game
. The zone was allowed in 01. That didn't stop Shaq and Duncan and eventually Dirk and perimeter guys like Bron, Kobe, Melo, and Wade from doing their thing on the block. 
at the excuses people stay trying to make for these weak ass bigs. It's actually the exact opposite. See above.
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Where are these superstar halting impenetrable zones yall speaking of?Didn't Kevin Love just avg 26 and 12 being a #1 option. Average athletically at best. Zones couldn't stop him.
KD four time scoring champ. He just avg 32 a game. He gets to the rim no problem. Zones couldn't stop him.
James fukkin Harden is the leagues leading scorer. Ugliest slasher ever but the zones ain't stopping him.The list goes...
Kevin Garnett he had 6 consecutive years of 22 and 12 from 01 to 06. What zone?
Kobe
McGrady
Iverson
Shaq
Wade
LeBron
Duncan
Carmelo
This so called superstar blocking zone ain't stopped none of the players from tearing the league up.
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The zone has a bigger impact on role players, it's why finding a quality roleplayer nowadays is basically 
moment for teams. The best players in the world will always be able to beat great defense, that will never change, but the role players and fringe star players from 20-30 years ago would not do too well in the current NBA.
moment for teams. The best players in the world will always be able to beat great defense, that will never change, but the role players and fringe star players from 20-30 years ago would not do too well in the current NBA.Kobe and AI had their best seasons scoring wise after the zone was instituted and handchecking was taken away. Lebron had his best year as a scorer in his 3rd year when he could still barely shoot that same year. Zones have impacted the game but dominance is dominance. KD skinny ass got 4 scoring titles in 5 years with a volume shooting PG.
Yeah it has nothing to do with guys getting by on athleticism and or size and not learning the fundamentals of the game
It's actually the exact opposite. See above.
AI and Kobe didn't play the bulk of their primes before the zone was allowed, so that's a mute point. It's not that Superstars wouldn't be able to score at all, it is that they don't allow for the isolation plays that allows them to burn people to the basket consistently. You pretty much now have to have 3pt shooters or great interior ball movement now cause the good D teams can clog the driving lanes without having to account for their man.
Plus, Shaq was a real live Monstar bruh, if you couldn't keep him out of the paint you would just have to foul him, but it would still be even easier for him if he would be able to call an iso on every possession and not have to worry about guys clogging the paint.
Handchecking has to be the most overrated thing ever, if you can't stay in front of your man, no amount of poking is going to stop them.
Handchecking has to be the most overrated thing ever, if you can't stay in front of your man, no amount of poking is going to stop them.
Word, we all play against handchecking at the gym
You run a zone in a pickup game and dudes hate you for it
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The leagues ppg average didnt change much after the zone was allowed in 01-02 either..the lowest avg was 93.4 in 03-04, but it went up to 97.2 the following season and continued to rise on up to 09-10
AI and Kobe didn't play the bulk of their primes before the zone was allowed, so that's a mute point. It's not that Superstars wouldn't be able to score at all, it is that they don't allow for the isolation plays that allows them to burn people to the basket consistently. You pretty much now have to have 3pt shooters or great interior ball movement now cause the good D teams can clog the driving lanes without having to account for their man.
Plus, Shaq was a real live Monstar bruh, if you couldn't keep him out of the paint you would just have to foul him, but it would still be even easier for him if he would be able to call an iso on every possession and not have to worry about guys clogging the paint.
Handchecking has to be the most overrated thing ever, if you can't stay in front of your man, no amount of poking is going to stop them.
Kobe was 23 and AI was 26 when zones were allowed . They both had their best seasons after the fact so how long they played afterwards is really the moot point. You do realize that being able to put your hands on guys and impact their movement impacts your ability to stay in front of them right? I guess it's just a coincidence that individual scoring spiked the year after handchecking was outlawed and that overall scoring has gone up since that time as well.
03-04 was zone and handchecking, that's part of the reason the Pistons were so dominant on defense and why handchecking was done away with the following season. You couldn't have the zone and allow handchecking at the same time, that was just too much and was leading to some ridiculously ugly games (Pacers vs Pistons ECF).
Teams didn't really start exploiting the zone principles until the Celtics basically mastered it in 07-08 and the Mavs won the title off the back of using the zone against the Heat.
They held 5 or 6 straight opponents to < 70 pts
. The league wasn't gonna let that stand too much longer.
You do realize that being able to put your hands on guys and impact their movement impacts your ability to stay in front of them right? I guess it's just a coincidence that individual scoring spiked the year after handchecking was outlawed and that overall scoring has gone up since that time as well.
Exactly, you're speaking as if they played half of their primes with and without zones so that doesn't mean much. Plus AI's numbers aren't drastically greater post zone (his shooting numbers are pretty similar.
Not really, handchecking is a two way street, and is only as effective as the guy guarding you. If you don't have the ability to stay in front of your man then hand checking isn't going to save you. You telling me that you'll be able to stop Kobe one on one if you were allowed to handcheck him?
Handchecking doesn't turn Danny Ainge into Scotty Pippen bruh.
They held 5 or 6 straight opponents to < 70 pts
The Pacers/Pistons series the teams averaged 72.7ppg and 75.2ppg and the Game 7 clincher was 69 to 65, Stern was like "Oh fukk this"
You'll never see another team like the Pistons win the title again, they had the 18th ranked offense that year
Yes because I am better than every perimeter defender in the history of the NBA?
That's your argument against handchecking...that a nikka off the street can't stop Kobe? 
Those NFL contact rules have no impact you telling me you'd be able to stop Dez or Megatron if contact was allowed? No need to respond to the prime/zone stuff because I already did. So how does his shooting numbers being similar pre and post zone prove that zone inhibits players? We saw him and Kobe and Lebron all show the fukk out and they weren't necessarily surrounded by great talent.
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