Kareem and Bill Russell ones are really impressive because they were done in era where the PLAYERS voted for the MVP. Respect of your competitors>
Yeah all the OGs of basically the first 30 years of NBA history were voted by their peers. It's impressive!
Russell only played 13 seasons too.
His 11 Top 5 finishes in 13 years (84.6%) is incredible and a testament of how he was viewed in his time. Other guys who spent at least half of their careers as legitimate MVP candidates:
Russell 11/13 (84.6%)
Kareem 15/20 (75%)
LeBron 14/19 (73.7%)*still active*
Pettit 8/11 (72.7%)
Wilt 10/14 (71.4%)
Bird 9/13 (69.2%)
Magic 9/13 (69.2%)
Mike 10/15 (66.7%)
O 9/14 (64.3%)
West 8/14 (57.1%)
Elgin 8/14 (57.1%)
Kobe 11/20 (55%)
It's part of why I don't view Kawhi that highly.
How many years has Kawhi genuinely been a top 5 ish player in the league? Like 3?
2017 (kd, Curry, Bron, Harden, Westbrook would all be ranked ahead arguably though), 2020?
Top 5 MVP VOTES isn't a perfect metric, but i get it OP.
Certainly isn't a perfect metric but it's at least an objective standard that no one can fudge. The guys who don't like it, don't like it because it doesn't benefit the guys they want it to, but I ain't about to pretend that MVPs and MVP contention isn't something that's been important in the NBA since forever. I ain't finna let nikkas get away with that...
At the very least it's an objective bar that hints at how dominant a player was and for how long. And that certainly matters when we are comparing All-Timers to each other...
Kawhi has three Top 5 finishes with a runner-up in 2016. The argument could be made that every year he's played since then he's been a legit Top 5 guy, the problem is he has two full years missing in only 7 years so that rightfully hurts him when we're comparing his legacy to other guys. For the record, despite missing so much injury time in his prime and being a late bloomer to boot, he's still presently held as a Top 40 guy. That's impressive;
He's 11 years in now, which is the entirety of Pettit's career, so we can have real legacy discussions and its fair game. It
is getting late for him, because when he starts Y12 this autumn he'll be 31, already with a significant injury history, in the typical window (Y9 to Y12/ages 29 to 32) that even great players begin showing clear signs of decline...so it's getting late for him, and I definitely don't see him playing more than 5 more years period (2027), but if he has one more 2-3 year run left in him like 2015-17, or 2018-21, he's going to continue to rise up All-Time boards. He's had a really unique career, I've never seen any superstar player's career take quite the trajectory his has...
fukk Fact-
@murksiderock hasnt seen half this list play in real time yet he will make posts like he has.
How many of these guys did you watch at least 50% of their career?
You know what the problem is lol
You're absolutely right bruh, I do lol...