Went from 6 shots per game his rookie season to 27 at some point and it all averages out to 20 shots per game over his playoff career
NBA postseason career records
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Goatpoacher
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Kobe stans NOTICEABLY quiet in here
It always amazes me when people claim Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan. Kobe has played more playoffs games yet has fewer 50, 40, 30, and 20 point games than Jordan.
How does Kobe have only 1 game of 50 points in the playoffs? Compared to 8 for MJ in fewer games.
Jordan faced worse defensive teams in the playoffs on average and in the finals. Their scoring numbers prime Vs prime and efficiency are identical in the playoffs when you adjust for defensive rating
When he faced similar defenses he had "Kobe esque" shooting numbers
Goatpoacher
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You really just going to pull this out of your rear end?
EIther apologize for this nonsense or back it up.
You really just going to pull this out of your rear end?
EIther apologize for this nonsense or back it up.
MJ(88-98') vs Kobe (01-10') playoffs, for all intents and purposes both players primes
Super defense(under 101 DRtg)
GM PPG FGA FG% TS%
Jordan 11 /31.3 /26.5 /39.4% /50.0%
Kobe 56 /27.2 /22.2 /43.8% /52.6%
Similar level, only difference is Kobe faced that level of defense 56 times while mike only 11.
Elite defense(101-104)
GM PPG FGA FG% TS%
Jordan 38 /31.9 /24.3 /46.5%/ 55.6%
Kobe 33 /29.4 /24.3 /44.0% /53.3%
solid to average defense(104-107)
GM PPG FGA FG% TS%
Jordan 79 /33.3 /24.8 /49.9% /57.4%
Kobe 48 /29.9 /22.0 /46.6%/ 57.4%
Week defense(107+)
GM PPG FGA FG% TS%
Jordan 41/35.2/25.9 /51.5% /58.7%
Kobe 11/30.8 /22.1 /49.8% /60.8%
30 more games against bad defenses then Bean.
Overall Jordan 169 games: 49 games against a team with a 104 Drtg and Under(28%)11 Against sub 101 Defenses(7% ). 120 games against defenses 104 and Up(70%). Against teams with Weak defenses 107 Drtg and Up, 41 Games(27%)
Kobe 148 games: 89 against a team with a Drtg of 104 and under (60 percent)/ 56 Under 101 Drtg(37% Percent). 11 Games against a 107 Drtg and Up(7%)
vs 1993 NYK 52.2 TS%
vs 1997 Heat 47.5 TS%
vs 1996 Sonics 53.8 TS%
vs 1997 Hawks 50.6 TS%
vs 1996 NYK 53.4 TS%
vs 1992 NYK 53.9 TS%
Jordan vs top defenses very similar efficiency to that of Kobe in quite a few of his finals(52%TS celtics in 08', 52%TS Magic in 09', 53%TS Celtics in 2010)Luckily for him, however, he didn't face great defenses as often as Kobe did. In fact, no superstar in history has played elite defenses as often as Bryant. And that's not even taking into account how defensive schemes and strategy are more advanced now then ever before.
So again, performed on a similar level but Mike had the luxuary of facing more mediocre to flat out bad defensive teams in the playoffs then Kobe. So this myth that mike is vastly superior playoff scorer is just that.... A myth
Kobe is not a better scorer than Jordan though.
I've always maintained that when their both "on fire", Kobe's the most explosive scorer of all-time. Jordan doesnt have the 40+ for 3 separate month streaks, the 50+ in consecutive games streak (2nd only to Wilt), the 62 points in 3 quarters output, the 55 points in 1 half, the 81 points in 1 game.
^^^Those are crazy NBA 2K13 on rookie numbers.
Jordan however was the more consistent scorer and better scorer overall, which is why he has the higher career ppg mark (compared to Kobe as a starter), but better yet, a higher single season ppg mark than Kobe has ever had.
Bottomline, Jordan is/was the better player...but like Phil Jackson said, they are a coin toss in their primes. He would take either one of them on his all-time team.
Goatpoacher
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So, let's now take a look at an isolated example you provide. The 2002 NJ nets were an elite defensive team? Let's see what 39 year old MJ did to them....
43 points, 60 percent shootin 10 rebounds, 3 assists.
Also, if you want to use advanced statistical measures, you also have to focus on the ones showing KOBE is far below MJ, Lebron, and even Wade.
43 points, 60 percent shootin 10 rebounds, 3 assists.
Also, if you want to use advanced statistical measures, you also have to focus on the ones showing KOBE is far below MJ, Lebron, and even Wade.
:mynikka:
GREAT post. It wont let me give you any rep
I didnt even know that Kobe played 30 more games against bad defenses than Jordan did.
Let me see how they gonna spin that
I may have to go back and edit my post after this
:mynikka:
GREAT post. It wont let me give you any rep
I didnt even know that Kobe played 30 more games against bad defenses than Jordan did.
Let me see how they gonna spin that
I may have to go back and edit my post after this
It would be like if Kobe faced teams like the 10' suns defensively in the majority of his playoff games. And remember he destroyed Them
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Goatpoacher
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It would be like if Kobe faced teams like the 10' suns defensively in the majority of his playoff games. And remember he destroyed Them
you're just going to ignore my point? and L68's? Can't blame you.
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