NBA Stars criticize one-and-done model (BR Mag)

[Malta]

the one and done is a flawed model for all parties involved

someone suggested a straight outta HS or you gotta stay at least 2 years. I think that's truly a better model for all parties involved.

Nah, they shouldn't have to stay 2 years, think of how damaging that 2 year rule would be for the players that are late bloomers on the recruiting circuit. Someone like KAT wouldn't have been drafted 1 straight out of HS, he wasn't even a top 5 player in his class going into Kentucky, why should he be penalized for going to school and having a break out freshman year and needing to stay another year.


Basically fukk the NCAA, we need a real development system like they have in Europe where kids are making actual money.

 

[PortCityProphet]

I think you’re confused breh. This is wonder world. These coaches are paid millions to win games and titles, not to try to develop a guy who won’t be there the next season or get guys prepared for the league. That’s not what they’re “supposed” to do. Besides, the one and dones know what they’re signing up for.

So it wouldn't be beneficial to winning to develop a player?

 

[jadillac]

Rivals.com

14 out of the top 25 kids are in the NBA and still have jobs 5 years later. Contrary to popular belief, scouts generally do a good job of identifying NBA talent.

These kids should be getting paid if they're going to waste their time in college, or they should be allowed to go straight to the league.

I'm just referring to the underlying Coli narrative that pretends like everyone is gonna be the next Lebron and that college is simply holding them back.

A good number of those kids who went straight from high school in the 00's didn't do much of anything and become career bench players or just washed out. It's not a foregone conclusion that they wouldn't have benefited from going to college. For every Dight Howard or JR Smith, there's probably 5 others who failed.

In the 90s, there was no rule that stated you were required to go to college but most dudes just did it regardless.

I just look at both sides.

 

[AlainLocke]

Cause it's part of coaching. They don't do any development but they should cause it's what a coach is supposed to do. Sign up for the team you get coached.

The job of a coach is to win games...

Why the hell would you as a coach...spend time with someone who is a top 10 high scool player and has their mind set on going to the league after one year...

If I have a group of kids that I know is gonna be here for the 4 years...Ima develop them...

 

[Malta]

I'm just referring to the underlying Coli narrative that pretends like everyone is gonna be the next Lebron and that college is simply holding them back.

A good number of those kids who went straight from high school in the 00's didn't do much of anything and become career bench players or just washed out. It's not a foregone conclusion that they wouldn't have benefited from going to college. For every Dight Howard or JR Smith, there's probably 5 others who failed.

In the 90s, there was no rule that stated you were required to go to college but most dudes just did it regardless.

I just look at both sides.

Actually, there was a study done on the HS to pro guys, and they were very successful because the NBA was drafting the cream of the crop, as in the top 15 HS players were the guys who were generally getting drafted.

https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/329619/original/Sugai-EffectEarlyEntrytoNBA.pdf



You can read it there, and you don't need to be LeBron to have personal success. A long career as a bench player will have you as a multi-millionaire, so I don't see what the problem is there. These guys are being robbed a year of their lives in which they could be making money because they have to do this stupid shyt going to college for a year when we all know a guy like DeAndre Ayton stands to gain nothing from going to Arizona and everything to lose if he gets hurt.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Told some chumps this in that thread about the kid going to g league. These coaches don't give a shyt about developing these kids.

If y’all think Coach Cal really coaching kids they y’all lost. They just hope they play the same

 

[FukkaPaidEmail]

The NBA needs to develop youth set-ups like European soccer.Have team affiliated U-18 and u-23 squads and throw AAU and the NCAA in the bushes. Win-win.

 

[jadillac]

A long career as a bench player will have you as a multi-millionaire, so I don't see what the problem is there. These guys are being robbed a year of their lives in which they could be making money because they have to do this stupid shyt going to college for a year when we all know a guy like DeAndre Ayton stands to gain nothing from going to Arizona and everything to lose if he gets hurt.

We'll agree to disagree. IMO, there's some guys who are career bench players in the NBA, who may have never gotten to the NBA period had they not played/gotten better in college. So college helped them.

To your point, some of those HS to pro guys may have a chance to become career STARTERS(rather than bench players) if they went to college. I don't see how so many of y'all can DEFINITIVELY say that these dudes stand to gain nothing from playing against other top D1 talent.

Sure, some college programs/coaches aen't going to teach them a damn thing, but I dont think that's the case at every school.

 

[Rigby.]

Nah, they shouldn't have to stay 2 years, think of how damaging that 2 year rule would be for the players that are late bloomers on the recruiting circuit. Someone like KAT wouldn't have been drafted 1 straight out of HS, he wasn't even a top 5 player in his class going into Kentucky, why should he be penalized for going to school and having a break out freshman year and needing to stay another year.


Basically fukk the NCAA, we need a real development system like they have in Europe where kids are making actual money.

I was playing devils advocate a lil, cause aint no way they do some shyt where nikkas could leave HS and leave 1st year. Like NCAA just aint gonna do that

 

[Malta]

We'll agree to disagree. IMO, there's some guys who are career bench players in the NBA, who may have never gotten to the NBA period had they not played/gotten better in college. So college helped them.

To your point, some of those HS to pro guys may have a chance to become career STARTERS(rather than bench players) if they went to college. I don't see how so many of y'all can DEFINITIVELY say that these dudes stand to gain nothing from playing against other top D1 talent.

Sure, some college programs/coaches aen't going to teach them a damn thing, but I dont think that's the case at every school.

You can disagree, but I posted empirical data against what you're arguing

And those same guys may have been discovered in the G-league, or whatever developmental league that would be in place of the NCAA. And to counter your point there are a lot of foreign players in the league now who were paid as early as 14 years old that didn't need college to become productive players.

 

[Sin Simma]

KD needs to shut his fukking c00n ass up....same nikka who donated millions to Texas who "babysat" his ass for a year.

He is the perfect athlete to talk about this. People will always big up KD the player, but forget about KD the student. In HS, it was a 3 way battle between Texas, UNC, and UConn. His grades were horrible so the programs started to slow down. Texas won because they systematically made sure his grades were okay, placing him in a prep school they knew would hook him up. When it comes to Texas, he owed a lot to that program and Coach Barnes.

If y’all think Coach Cal really coaching kids they y’all lost. They just hope they play the same

Hate Coach Cal with a passion, but believe it or not, he is actually a great coach. His problem is losing control of the monster he created. Cal consistently sells his team was One and Done Academy, so does it surprise you that NBA is all they think about. This guy even went on record and said it’s all about the NBA, and not winning championships. UK fans were pissed, and is now starting to question his approach. The nail is K mastering Cal’s recruiting style, a style that the media used to kill him for, and beating UK now. Top 3 players with the number 1 PG, the year after landing the number 1 player and number 1 PG. shyt is dirty.

 

[Guile]

He's right.

Coaches at these schools care about securing glory and the bag over developing these one and done players.

But the league does not seem to use their g-league team for pure youth development. A far as I know there is nothing stopping the NBA's g-league affiliate from going out and signing promising teenagers.

 

[tremonthustler1]

He's right.

Coaches at these schools care about securing glory and the bag over developing these one and done players.

But the league does not seem to use their g-league team for pure youth development. A far as I know there is nothing stopping the NBA's g-league affiliate from going out and signing promising teenagers.

The G-League isn’t meant for pure youth development. It’s designed for players who may have slipped through the cracks to have an opportunity to reach the NBA domestically, since overseas teams limit imports.

Coaches in the NBA are control freaks. They don’t believe in the idea that someone else can do a better job of developing you than they can, which is why you don’t see the most promising guys end up doing G-League stints.

 

[Bigblackted4]

He is the perfect athlete to talk about this. People will always big up KD the player, but forget about KD the student. In HS, it was a 3 way battle between Texas, UNC, and UConn. His grades were horrible so the programs started to slow down. Texas won because they systematically made sure his grades were okay, placing him in a prep school they knew would hook him up. When it comes to Texas, he owed a lot to that program and Coach Barnes.



Hate Coach Cal with a passion, but believe it or not, he is actually a great coach. His problem is losing control of the monster he created. Cal consistently sells his team was One and Done Academy, so does it surprise you that NBA is all they think about. This guy even went on record and said it’s all about the NBA, and not winning championships. UK fans were pissed, and is now starting to question his approach. The nail is K mastering Cal’s recruiting style, a style that the media used to kill him for, and beating UK now. Top 3 players with the number 1 PG, the year after landing the number 1 player and number 1 PG. shyt is dirty.

How if every player that came from Kentucky plays better their rookie season. They all show much more talent when they leave his coaching. Look at Bam.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I'm just referring to the underlying Coli narrative that pretends like everyone is gonna be the next Lebron and that college is simply holding them back.

A good number of those kids who went straight from high school in the 00's didn't do much of anything and become career bench players or just washed out. It's not a foregone conclusion that they wouldn't have benefited from going to college. For every Dight Howard or JR Smith, there's probably 5 others who failed.

In the 90s, there was no rule that stated you were required to go to college but most dudes just did it regardless.

I just look at both sides.

More often than not the HS players who jumped succeeded to some extent.

The one and done wave has led to more failures though.

The NBA needs to develop youth set-ups like European soccer.Have team affiliated U-18 and u-23 squads and throw AAU and the NCAA in the bushes. Win-win.

The issue is how to compare that to the educational system that exists overseas. The NBA isn’t all that interested in giving you the education a high school or college is supposed to give you. A foreign team doesn’t adhere to the American way of educating, and the NBA (or any North American League for that matter) doesn’t wanna be the league that says “School? Who needs school?”