NBATV Open Court Season 2 Thread

[The War Report]

Problems rebounding the ball.

Problems staying healthy.

 

[dagodmcizme]

my nikka but that whole traditional big man argument was some bull.

 

[threattonature]

just watched this. Shaq hate can be funny, but it got ridiculous on this one. I don't even think he believes what he is saying, and is just people to stay relevant, but he be on some female shyt with his hate. Shaq is sorta right though on paper, D12 should avg. about 7 points a quarter with ease, but the rules are different know compared to before, but D12 should be more dominant, but with he will. I got a feeling Bynum is gonna be a bust in terms of carrying the Philly franchise. Philly has great talent, but Bynum is really gonna be the leader and the voice of the 76ers? On paper, Philly should be great, but the panel made some really good points though with the Philly crowd and Bynum's demeanor. as usual, Open Court was dope.

I'm mad that nobody pointed out though that Shaq had the benefit of always playing with great wing talent that had to be accounted for as well. Not to mention for whatever reason the Magic just stop going to him for large stretches of the game. I think the game is there for Howard he just needs a team to push him to be the man.

And I was fukking dead at the way they kept fukking with Charles.

 

[Majestic Pape]

To Be Real Some Of Shaqs Criticisms Of Dwight Were Fair, But The Way He Tries To Bring The Point Across Is On Some Real Personal "I Dont Like Him" shyt

He Said Dwight Is Faster And More Athletic Then He Was And Playing Against Weak Competition And He's Doesnt Even Average 20 PPG For His Career

That's A Valid Point

If Shaq Can Average 28 And 26 Points A Game With Kobe And Prime Penny As Teammates Going Up Against Ewing, Olijuwon, Mourning, Smits, Etc..

Why Cant Dwight Average At Least 25 Points With The Average Ass Teammates He's Had And Battling Guys Like Joel Anthony, Brooke Lopez, Etc..

18 PPG Though!?

But When Shaq Says Stuff Like "I'd Take Brook Lopez Over Dwight" Now That's Some Hating Ass shyt lol

That's the thing - all of Shaq's criticisms of Dwight have been legitimate - and somebody NEEDS to be saying it - but people just don't like hearing it come from Shaq and they just write it off as petty.




And on another note, Kenny is the biggest Jordan Stan/"Back in my day" ass motherfukker out there.

 

[Majestic Pape]

I'm mad that nobody pointed out though that Shaq had the benefit of always playing with great wing talent that had to be accounted for as well. Not to mention for whatever reason the Magic just stop going to him for large stretches of the game. I think the game is there for Howard he just needs a team to push him to be the man.

And I was fukking dead at the way they kept fukking with Charles.

Tell me something...

If that was prime Shaq instead of Dwight in Orlando these past years, do you think the team would go large stretches of the game without giving him the rock?

And Shaq was putting up crazy numbers his rookie season pre-Penny and was putting up crazy numbers before Kobe became a good player as well, so this idea that the only reason Shaq was nice was because he played with good perimeter players is pure nonsense and revisionist history.

 

[threattonature]

Tell me something...

If that was prime Shaq instead of Dwight in Orlando these past years, do you think the team would go large stretches of the game without giving him the rock?

And Shaq was putting up crazy numbers his rookie season pre-Penny and was putting up crazy numbers before Kobe became a good player as well, so this idea that the only reason Shaq was nice was because he played with good perimeter players is pure nonsense and revisionist history.

So you gone tell me Eddie Jones, Van Exel, and Ceballos wasn't nice when he went to the Lakers? And even his rookie year before he came in Nick Anderson had came from scoring 20 a game and put up 20 again with him.

Part of the problem with Dwight though is that he's too nice. Most of the great centers would get ignored at some point and bark on their teammates. There's stories of Shaq doing it, Hakeem, Ewing. That's where Dwight's nice guy act has to change and is a valid criticism. He needs more nastiness in his game.

But Dwight has worked on his post game and got a hell of a lot better with his back to the basket so referring to him as strictly a pick and pop player is crazy. Also a lot harder to put up those big points when the other team can focus on you and only you with no other real playmakers on the team. It's a hell of a lot easier to take a big man out the game now compared to Shaq's prime.

 

[Majestic Pape]

So you gone tell me Eddie Jones, Van Exel, and Ceballos wasn't nice when he went to the Lakers? And even his rookie year before he came in Nick Anderson had came from scoring 20 a game and put up 20 again with him.

Part of the problem with Dwight though is that he's too nice. Most of the great centers would get ignored at some point and bark on their teammates. There's stories of Shaq doing it, Hakeem, Ewing. That's where Dwight's nice guy act has to change and is a valid criticism. He needs more nastiness in his game.

But Dwight has worked on his post game and got a hell of a lot better with his back to the basket so referring to him as strictly a pick and pop player is crazy. Also a lot harder to put up those big points when the other team can focus on you and only you with no other real playmakers on the team. It's a hell of a lot easier to take a big man out the game now compared to Shaq's prime.

Those were good players but that's where it stops. That's no better than playing with Turkoglu, Lewis, Jameer, Vince, Francis, etc. Hell, if prime Shaq was on the Magic he would have won that 2009 championship and probably a couple more around it. And LOL @ Nick Anderson.

I can't believe people are now trying to make it seem like Shaq was the one benefitting from his teammates as opposed to his teammates benefitting from playing with him. LOL @ the other team not focusing on Shaq. This is a motherfukker who was getting triple-teamed and hacked whenever he caught the ball, even with a legendary scorer like Kobe on the court.

Dwight doesn't have the personality that Shaq had or other great post players where they're demanding the ball in the post.

 

[theoretic]

Those were good players but that's where it stops. That's no better than playing with Turkoglu, Lewis, Jameer, Vince, Francis, etc. Hell, if prime Shaq was on the Magic he would have won that 2009 championship and probably a couple more around it. And LOL @ Nick Anderson.

I can't believe people are now trying to make it seem like Shaq was the one benefitting from his teammates as opposed to his teammates benefitting from playing with him. LOL @ the other team not focusing on Shaq. This is a motherfukker who was getting triple-teamed and hacked whenever he caught the ball, even with a legendary scorer like Kobe on the court.

Dwight doesn't have the personality that Shaq had or other great post players where they're demanding the ball in the post.

So you're saying that Shaq is..... *gasp* better than Dwight? :

Who has said otherwise? nikka just ran up in the thread just talking all sorts of nonsense. It's aight tho, keep it up. That strawman that you're battling is gettin that work.

 

[Majestic Pape]

So you're saying that Shaq is..... *gasp* better than Dwight? :

Who has said otherwise? nikka just ran up in the thread just talking all sorts of nonsense. It's aight tho, keep it up. That strawman that you're battling is gettin that work.

Your comprehension game is severely lacking, but thanks for adding nothing to an argument that you weren't even involved in.

 

[Thegospel]

fukk dwight! He's trash.

 

[theoretic]

Your comprehension game is severely lacking, but thanks for adding nothing to an argument that you weren't even involved in.

Is Dwight the best center in basketball?

 

[threattonature]

Those were good players but that's where it stops. That's no better than playing with Turkoglu, Lewis, Jameer, Vince, Francis, etc. Hell, if prime Shaq was on the Magic he would have won that 2009 championship and probably a couple more around it. And LOL @ Nick Anderson.

I can't believe people are now trying to make it seem like Shaq was the one benefitting from his teammates as opposed to his teammates benefitting from playing with him. LOL @ the other team not focusing on Shaq. This is a motherfukker who was getting triple-teamed and hacked whenever he caught the ball, even with a legendary scorer like Kobe on the court.

Dwight doesn't have the personality that Shaq had or other great post players where they're demanding the ball in the post.

Obviously Shaq was the man on all those teams had the guards all greatly benefited playing with him. But Shaq, Penny, and Kobe all proved playing without Shaq that they were legit and not just a product of playing with Shaq.

But might point is that he makes the center's job a whole hell of a lot easier having someone that can create a few easy looks a game and that prevents the defense from completely selling out. Not to mention having a perimeter player that can carry an offense down the stretch.

As far as talent the combo of Jones, Van Exel, and Ceballos was offensively vicious. Van Exel was extremely streaky and somebody you couldn't leave in fear of him getting hot. Jones had a solid J and was great slashing to the hoop and fit perfectly with Shaq. Plus add in Elden Campbell a very solid big man at the 4 and I would easily take that over any of Dwight's teams. Hell when's the last time Dwight even played with a decent 4 that could help him down low.

 

[threattonature]

Those were good players but that's where it stops. That's no better than playing with Turkoglu, Lewis, Jameer, Vince, Francis, etc. Hell, if prime Shaq was on the Magic he would have won that 2009 championship and probably a couple more around it. And LOL @ Nick Anderson.

I can't believe people are now trying to make it seem like Shaq was the one benefitting from his teammates as opposed to his teammates benefitting from playing with him. LOL @ the other team not focusing on Shaq. This is a motherfukker who was getting triple-teamed and hacked whenever he caught the ball, even with a legendary scorer like Kobe on the court.

Dwight doesn't have the personality that Shaq had or other great post players where they're demanding the ball in the post.

And don't sleep on Nick Anderson. He was definitely on the rise and his numbers only took a hit once Penny and Ho Grant hit town limiting his touches. Even then he was still nice and the Finals just killed him mentally and fukked with his confidence.

 

[banan]

just saw it, Shaq lying all over the place and Barkley sleeping through da entire episode, they're back!

 

[OG Talk]

I'm late.. But I was legit embarrassed watching Shaq try to spin how Lopez is better than Dwight...One of the most cringe worthy moments in recent sports history...His ego and insecurity is amazing for a guy that people seem to love so much...