NBC/WSJ poll: Hillary up by 11

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Chicken Pot Pie said:
By the way I'm not going to get too excited about polls for the next 3-4 days. They are post p*ssy grabbing but pre debate. Whether you're for or against Trump, he at least stopped the bleeding. Doesn't mean the ideas he spoutted last night are any less crap. But for the average voter, he "seemed" to be in command and carry himself well in the debate and had Hillary on the ropes or at least fighting in the middle of the ring. Given the expectations were so low and expecting a complete disaster, a lot of people think he did Better than the first debate.

So hopefully, you don't see too much of a drop for Clinton once post debate polls start to drop but I think trump will see a slight uptick. But I think he is so far in the hole so late in the game that it's over. He still has organizational issues such as GOTV which Hillary is trouncing him in. Not to mention he heavily leaned on the GOP to provide campaign support on a state level and they've abandoned him. He is probably going to lose.
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So I basically agree with all of this but I just wanted to add, and I'm sure it's been said elsewhere in here, and maybe you even insinuated it, but I'm not sure that a victory last night for Donald Trump will move the needle very much overall. I think the people that have stuck with him this far are going to continue to, and since he can't win without more independents and undecideds, I'm just not convinced that coming off about equal or possibly a little bit better in the second debate is going to get him much of that.
 
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Broke Wave said:
@thekingsmen scientific polling is science breh. Yes this poll hasvonly 500 people but if they expanded it to 5000 people, the results would be identical which is the point. They use existing demographic data and random sampling to ask the minimum amount of people needed to get the most accurate picture. This is why Polls are almost always accurate in international elections.
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It's called "Push Poll", not science. Nothing science about it.

Push poll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Accurate?

Are Accurate Polls Really Accurate? | Huffington Post


Polls Are Not Accurate Predictors of Elections


http://thenewpolitical.com/opinion-online-polls-not-accurate-credible/

Why Online Polls Are Bunk

Misleading Stats....
How statistics can be misleading - Mark Liddell

85% of Statistics are False or Misleading
 
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thekingsmen said:
It's called "Push Poll", not science. Nothing science about it.

Push poll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Accurate?

Are Accurate Polls Really Accurate? | Huffington Post


Polls Are Not Accurate Predictors of Elections


http://thenewpolitical.com/opinion-online-polls-not-accurate-credible/

Why Online Polls Are Bunk

Misleading Stats....
How statistics can be misleading - Mark Liddell

85% of Statistics are False or Misleading
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It wasn't a push poll because you can see the questions here

2 it wasn't an online poll so those two links dont mean much. That other link about polls not being accurate seems like one guys opinion... And misleading statistics do exist... but that does not mean that we shouldn't believe in any statistics whatsoever. That itself is misleading. The point of misleading statistics is that people don't look into the numbers, where as on scientific polling, you can click the link above and get all the details, then come here and tell us what was unscientific about it.
 
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Broke Wave said:
It wasn't a push poll because you can see the questions here

2 it wasn't an online poll so those two links dont mean much. That other link about polls not being accurate seems like one guys opinion... And misleading statistics do exist... but that does not mean that we shouldn't believe in any statistics whatsoever. That itself is misleading. The point of misleading statistics is that people don't look into the numbers, where as on scientific polling, you can click the link above and get all the details, then come here and tell us what was unscientific about it.
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1. Never said this poll was a "Poll Push" but there are a shytload of them out there, that people claim as "scientific"
2. I used the online poll as an example.
3. We are just going to agree to disagree
 
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Broke Wave said:
It wasn't a push poll because you can see the questions here

2 it wasn't an online poll so those two links dont mean much. That other link about polls not being accurate seems like one guys opinion... And misleading statistics do exist... but that does not mean that we shouldn't believe in any statistics whatsoever. That itself is misleading. The point of misleading statistics is that people don't look into the numbers, where as on scientific polling, you can click the link above and get all the details, then come here and tell us what was unscientific about it.
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Dude took the time to post the questions, which prove it wasn't a push poll, then turned around and called it a push poll. :dead:
 
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thekingsmen said:
It's called "Push Poll", not science. Nothing science about it.

Push poll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Accurate?

Are Accurate Polls Really Accurate? | Huffington Post


Polls Are Not Accurate Predictors of Elections


http://thenewpolitical.com/opinion-online-polls-not-accurate-credible/

Why Online Polls Are Bunk

Misleading Stats....
How statistics can be misleading - Mark Liddell

85% of Statistics are False or Misleading
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It wasn't a push poll or an online poll.

Did you just google "polls are wrong" or something like that and just post whatever links that came up without even reading them?
 
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