NBPA calls for 65-game rule change, citing Cunningham's case

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Detroit guard Cade Cunningham's eligibility for individual honors such as a spot on the All-NBA team is in some doubt because of the 65-game rule for such awards, and the players' association said Tuesday that shouldn't be the case.

The National Basketball Players Association -- which, through collective bargaining, agreed to that rule as part of the current agreement between the league and its players -- said it, at minimum, wants to see the rule amended.

"Cade Cunningham's potential ineligibility for postseason awards after a career-defining season is a clear indictment of the 65-game rule and yet another example of why it must be abolished or reformed to create an exception for significant injuries," the union said through a spokesperson. "Since its implementation, far too many deserving players have been unfairly disqualified from end-of-season honors by this arbitrary and overly rigid quota."

Cunningham has appeared in 61 games this season. He is expected to miss several more games while recovering from a collapsed lung -- and if he misses too many, he'll fall short of the 65-game threshold.

"Cade has delivered a first-team All-NBA season," Cunningham's agent, Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports Management, told ESPN's Shams Charania. "If he falls just short of an arbitrary games-played threshold due to legitimate injury, it should not disqualify him from recognition he has clearly earned over the course of the season. The league should be rewarding excellence, not enforcing rigid cutoffs that ignore context. An exception needs to be made."

A number of players will be ineligible for most major individual awards this season because of the 65-game rule, including the Los Angeles Lakers' LeBron James -- whose 21-year streak of making an All-NBA team will end. Milwaukee's Giannis Antetokounmpo and Golden State's Stephen Curry have also missed too many games to be eligible and a slew of other players -- including Denver's Nikola Jokic and San Antonio's Victor Wembanyama, both of whom are MVP contenders -- are near the line for ineligibility.

The MVP front-runners, Oklahoma City's Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Lakers' Luka Doncic, can still miss a handful of games and keep their eligibility.

"It's for the right reasons, but it's tough," Cleveland guard Donovan Mitchell said over the weekend, in remarks published by Cleveland.com about the 65-game rule. "We get paid money to be out there, but there's certain things you can't control. It's not like guys are resting and missing these games. These are legitimate injuries, so it's something to look at for sure because there's no way certain guys should be in this scenario."

 

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Cade is suffering because of the “Load Management”, abusers. Can’t have it both ways.

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I think if you’re going to keep it at 65 games, put a minutes played exception. So if you played 60 games but still played a certain amount of minutes you still qualify

For example with the stats, even if you play less than the game minimum you can still qualify for the leaderboard if your totals are high enough
 

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What’s the fewest games an MVP has played in a non lockout year?

Edit found it.

Bill Walton (77-78) is the only one with less than 65 games.

Adding Embiid, you have 3 players with less than 70 games in 70 years.


It kinda does make sense, you’re most likely not winning the mvp in another American sport (Europeans give mvp for the whole season including national team) if you miss almost 1/3 of the season.


So when the NBA put that 65 limit, they likely looked at all the mvps and saw that it’s a 1/70 chance that you have a Bill Walton.
 
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the obvious problem with having a 65 game rule for the awards is it can make them a farce. ppl should take the games and minutes played more into account for awards, but it should be under a scale, not an eligible or ineligible. voters should be able to measure impact from the stats and time spent on the court. i would change the incentive structure for the awards and all nba where its a yearly bonus that doesnt count against the cap but is payed out by the team rather than just having a supermax. players would never agree to that now but that and the nba fining teams for load management games would be the best system to incentivize guys to play more games every year.
 

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I like the 65-game rule

30 teams, 15 roster spots, so roughly 450 active players in the league at any given point. Yet only 15 all-nba slots. So only 3% of players will be recognized per year.

Your contract is “guaranteed” no matter if you play 1 game or 82 games. So you’re set for life regardless.

But if you want to be one of the 3% that get an all-nba selection (or the 1 out of 450 that wins MVP), you actually have to show up to work a certain amount of days? I don’t mind that.

It “sucks” if you get hurt and can’t qualify for the 3% but if you can barely play 50 games then you probably have bigger issues to worry about.
 

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"The National Basketball Players Association -- which, through collective bargaining, agreed to that rule as part of the current agreement between the league and its players"

:dead:THESE DUDES ARE fukkING CLOWNS

NOW WHEN A PLAYER THEY LIKE
IS EFFECTED nikkaS WANNA
BUSH THE WHOLE RULE THEY
PUT INTO PLACE

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I like the 65-game rule

30 teams, 15 roster spots, so roughly 450 active players in the league at any given point. Yet only 15 all-nba slots. So only 3% of players will be recognized per year.

Your contract is “guaranteed” no matter if you play 1 game or 82 games. So you’re set for life regardless.

But if you want to be one of the 3% that get an all-nba selection (or the 1 out of 450 that wins MVP), you actually have to show up to work a certain amount of days? I don’t mind that.

It “sucks” if you get hurt and can’t qualify for the 3% but if you can barely play 50 games then you probably have bigger issues to worry about.
Agree on everything except the fact that the max is connected to awards.

It's kinda crazy that Jaylen Brown go 300m+ for making the all-nba second team once (CBA coli lawyers, correct me if I'm wrong). So imagine that he played 64 games that season (he played 67) would he not be worth that money? like 3 worthless starts in the end really meant insane money. Like if he had o rest the 3 last games of the regular season when they had nothing to play for cause he had knee problems.

I'm not an expert in designing these type of systems but there should be some type of flexibility or really freedom for teams to choose what they think a player is worth.
 

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Agree on everything except the fact that the max is connected to awards.

It's kinda crazy that Jaylen Brown go 300m+ for making the all-nba second team once (CBA coli lawyers, correct me if I'm wrong). So imagine that he played 64 games that season would he not be worth that money?

YOU THINK THE PLAYERS
ASSOCIATION DIDN'T
KNOW THIS WHEN THEY AGREED
TO EVERYONE OF THOSE THINGS
IN YOUR POST?

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I like the 65-game rule

30 teams, 15 roster spots, so roughly 450 active players in the league at any given point. Yet only 15 all-nba slots. So only 3% of players will be recognized per year.

Your contract is “guaranteed” no matter if you play 1 game or 82 games. So you’re set for life regardless.

But if you want to be one of the 3% that get an all-nba selection (or the 1 out of 450 that wins MVP), you actually have to show up to work a certain amount of days? I don’t mind that.

It “sucks” if you get hurt and can’t qualify for the 3% but if you can barely play 50 games then you probably have bigger issues to worry about.


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