Need A Legit 2nd Option? Holla at Us... 2017 Bulls Off-Season Thread

[Captain Crunch]

What happens to Portis if y'all keep Mirotic?

 

[KnickstapeCity]

NBA Scouts Are Debating Arizona's Lauri Markkanen as the Next Kristaps Porzingis

 

[philmonroe]

Show me a rookie coach that was allowed to gut his team for an unproven nba offense...

We can play semantics and talk about 1 year or 2 year, shyt hasn't happened. You bringing up insignificant points and cussing like you're making an actual points. Stop posting filler and rebuttal my point.

Show me where I said that or please stop quoting me fam. fukk the semantics nikka you making up shut I didn't say to fit whatever emotional stuff you got going on. I said what I said and if you ask me something I actually said or implied we can talk otherwise FOH honeslty. fukk your point because your point has nothing to do with what I said/implied so argue with yourself fam. If you going to keep quoting me with some stuff that doesn't match with what I said its no need for the back and forth. Cursing in informal talk is normal nikka stop acting like a suburban cracka that don't know whats what.

 

[Perfectson]

Show me where I said that or please stop quoting me fam. fukk the semantics nikka you making up shut I didn't say to fit whatever emotional stuff you got going on. I said what I said and if you ask me something I actually said or implied we can talk otherwise FOH honeslty. fukk your point because your point has nothing to do with what I said/implied so argue with yourself fam. If you going to keep quoting me with some stuff that doesn't match with what I said its no need for the back and forth. Cursing in informal talk is normal nikka stop acting like a suburban cracka that don't know whats what.

1. You quoted me and rebutted me talking about building around a rookie coach

Well maybe you don't have tv but when you bring in a coach in any sport they try to get players that fit whatever vision that coach has. Its either that or they get a coach who's style fits with the players. Again if you've never saw or heard that I doubt you watch sports shows my man.

that's what you said, now you're saying you didn't say it. SMH


now I have no idea what your last quote was about , you sound like you're angry in the mcdonalds drive thru cuz they got your order wrong and can't articulate yourself, so you're cussing and foaming at the mouth about why the sky is blue and water is wet.

 

[philmonroe]

1. You quoted me and rebutted me talking about building around a rookie coach



that's what you said, now you're saying you didn't say it. SMH


now I have no idea what your last quote was about , you sound like you're angry in the mcdonalds drive thru cuz they got your order wrong and can't articulate yourself, so you're cussing and foaming at the mouth about why the sky is blue and water is wet.

Yeah public school failing some of y'all cats. Smh. I spoke the truth you on some emotional shyt period. Everytime in every sport they either get a coach that fit the players or they over time build the roster around what that coach does. When you can find proof that doesn't happen holla at me. I sound like I'm angry but I'll bet my life I got more than any nikka in your family so why would I be angry? Guess you need to make up stuff to make yourself feel good and tbh my dude I got too much bread to eat fast food you'd know more about that than me. Its a messageboard talk not a business meeting so stop trying to do that online thing and make cursing which you also had in your post as something it isn't. How about I just give you this neg and we call this talk over? Cool? Cool

 

[god shamgod]

Porter Jr is durant 2.0 6'9-6'10 and can shoot.That's who I hope the bulls can get at next years draft

Suck one more year and pray they get a pick in the range to draft bagley III that's kg/Ad 2.0 bulls would be set for the next 8-10 years

take on bad contracts for future picks/young players.Several teams will need cap space bulls can be the spot for bad contracts to stack up assets.They can't botch this rebuild, they should bring hinkie in as an consultant.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

been a few days since the trade and it still feels

we picked the right direction to go in, regardless what you think of the return

maybe we didnt get our franchise player in this trade, but we put ourselves into the draft position to find that guy the next two drafts

if we find a superstar wing or big, Dunn/Lavine/Markkanen/Zel/Portis/Felcio/Zipser could all be a nice core around them

My only issue with this assessment, is who is at the wheel. If it's any front office that can screw a rebuild up leading to 2 and 3 "resets" It's the Muppets in the front office.

I'm not getting too caught up in who is coming in the draft because things happen, we may not land either of these guys presented. Then, even if we landed one or 2 of them, the task of properly building around them is still going to be a obstacle, and as we have seen with rose and then jimmy, these dudes give a half hearted effort to do so, then you all come down on the star and blame them for why they couldn't carry bums further.

That is why historically it always works out better for the team receiving the all star vs the team who trade the all star. Especially if the deal is heavily one sided.

I personally like lavine, but coming off an acl, can't say your surprised if he never regains form. Can't be surprised if dunn or lauri never pan out because the writings were on the wall for them, and you can't convince yourself of something simply to fit into the we needed to rebuild narrative. I myself am not going to lie to myself, if this doesn't work out early on, garpax will panic and use that cap space on players who don't deserve it. We will max out a player who not worth it to save face. This city does not have the patience for 5 years of losing. Around year 2 of the rebuild it could get crazy.

 

[Brozay]

My only issue with this assessment, is who is at the wheel. If it's any front office that can screw a rebuild up leading to 2 and 3 "resets" It's the Muppets in the front office.

I'm not getting too caught up in who is coming in the draft because things happen, we may not land either of these guys presented. Then, even if we landed one or 2 of them, the task of properly building around them is still going to be a obstacle, and as we have seen with rose and then jimmy, these dudes give a half hearted effort to do so, then you all come down on the star and blame them for why they couldn't carry bums further.

That is why historically it always works out better for the team receiving the all star vs the team who trade the all star. Especially if the deal is heavily one sided.

I personally like lavine, but coming off an acl, can't say your surprised if he never regains form. Can't be surprised if dunn or lauri never pan out because the writings were on the wall for them, and you can't convince yourself of something simply to fit into the we needed to rebuild narrative. I myself am not going to lie to myself, if this doesn't work out early on, garpax will panic and use that cap space on players who don't deserve it. We will max out a player who not worth it to save face. This city does not have the patience for 5 years of losing. Around year 2 of the rebuild it could get crazy.

GarPax is at the wheel either direction we go. I dont know why you trust them to build a team around Jimmy more than to do a rebuild. We're gonna be bad enough where they cant even fukk up the draft picks. I have less faith in them to build a team around Jimmy than to just have this team suck for two years and draft some high level talent

 

[jwinfield]

GarPax is at the wheel either direction we go. I dont know why you trust them to build a team around Jimmy more than to do a rebuild. We're gonna be bad enough where they cant even fukk up the draft picks. I have less faith in them to build a team around Jimmy than to just have this team suck for two years and draft some high level talent

And they'd have one year to build around Jimmy before he's a year away from declining his option, a year away from his value being in the tank because teams know he's not trying to stay with the shytty ass Bulls, a year away from us offering him 200M+.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

GarPax is at the wheel either direction we go. I dont know why you trust them to build a team around Jimmy more than to do a rebuild. We're gonna be bad enough where they cant even fukk up the draft picks. I have less faith in them to build a team around Jimmy than to just have this team suck for two years and draft some high level talent

I didn't trust them. I trusted jimmy. I said this about 2 dozen times. The stars build superteams/contenders etc. At this point you can't panic and make a bad decision out of fear of for the alternative. One way you would have had jimmy in a position to influence the make up of the roster, other way it's all on garpax. And again, your continuing to create a false premises of what my issue is here vs what my real problem is. This is not about a "rebuild" it's about not being so damn desperate for a rebuild you take any bullshyt package and make the hole steep to climb out of to build a contender. If you couldn't get a quality package for jimmy, then you wait til you can, or you plan B/build with jimmy.

You want to champion a rebuild with a poor package , it's building a house on mud. You all want this to be a aberration and think this turns out differently cause you all got optimism and hope unless the guys coming in are lebron and duncan level (I will admit I haven't seen enough of them to determine that ) than you are in the same prospect shuffle everyone else is in. Why do you think its about a dozen teams out here who been rebuilding for years with 1 and 2 resets? Cause they took some trash package or these guys they thought would be franchise guys just didn't pan out to be that. So building with jimmy had to always be a option. I'm not letting them off the hook just happy to be bad enough. If we were sitting here with deaaron fox and the 2018 bkn pick, (which btw those pro tank sold this as the expected return for jimmy, just saying) then I'm smiling with everyone else. But this is what we are faced with, if dunn continues to be a bust who played himself to 3rd string pg in minny, if lavine can't be of the small number of players who bounce back well from a acl and if lauri can't stay on the floor and he a bust, then we just traded our franchise guy......for NOTHING!

I hope that is not the case. I like lavine and think he has a higher ceiling than jimmy but a acl is a acl. Hard to hope for miracles with that kind of injury. But if we essentially traded our guy for practically nothing how then do you think we can formulate some kind of core basically starting from scratch with no generational talent appearing to be coming out the draft? Am I crazy to have that concern or do everyone wants me to settle into this nostalgia mesmorized over some youtube clips of guys who are not in the league yet, some who haven't even played college ball yet?

For the record, I'm not sitting back hoping it fails, I'm hoping it goes well and the magic the bulls used to have to draft comes back and we are primed for a great future as these prospects pan out. But I'm not crazy to be skeptical of the future when the foundation laid at this point is weak as shyt.

 

[Brozay]

I didn't trust them. I trusted jimmy. I said this about 2 dozen times. The stars build superteams/contenders etc. At this point you can't panic and make a bad decision out of fear of for the alternative. One way you would have had jimmy in a position to influence the make up of the roster, other way it's all on garpax. And again, your continuing to create a false premises of what my issue is here vs what my real problem is. This is not about a "rebuild" it's about not being so damn desperate for a rebuild you take any bullshyt package and make the hole steep to climb out of to build a contender. If you couldn't get a quality package for jimmy, then you wait til you can, or you plan B/build with jimmy.

You want to champion a rebuild with a poor package , it's building a house on mud. You all want this to be a aberration and think this turns out differently cause you all got optimism and hope unless the guys coming in are lebron and duncan level (I will admit I haven't seen enough of them to determine that ) than you are in the same prospect shuffle everyone else is in. Why do you think its about a dozen teams out here who been rebuilding for years with 1 and 2 resets? Cause they took some trash package or these guys they thought would be franchise guys just didn't pan out to be that. So building with jimmy had to always be a option. I'm not letting them off the hook just happy to be bad enough. If we were sitting here with deaaron fox and the 2018 bkn pick, (which btw those pro tank sold this as the expected return for jimmy, just saying) then I'm smiling with everyone else. But this is what we are faced with, if dunn continues to be a bust who played himself to 3rd string pg in minny, if lavine can't be of the small number of players who bounce back well from a acl and if lauri can't stay on the floor and he a bust, then we just traded our franchise guy......for NOTHING!

I hope that is not the case. I like lavine and think he has a higher ceiling than jimmy but a acl is a acl. Hard to hope for miracles with that kind of injury. But if we essentially traded our guy for practically nothing how then do you think we can formulate some kind of core basically starting from scratch with no generational talent appearing to be coming out the draft? Am I crazy to have that concern or do everyone wants me to settle into this nostalgia mesmorized over some youtube clips of guys who are not in the league yet, some who haven't even played college ball yet?

For the record, I'm not sitting back hoping it fails, I'm hoping it goes well and the magic the bulls used to have to draft comes back and we are primed for a great future as these prospects pan out. But I'm not crazy to be skeptical of the future when the foundation laid at this point is weak as shyt.

You dont need to be mesmorized by the clips ... just know there will be high level elite talent at the top of the next two drafts.

I dont think the return for Jimmy was as poor as you do I guess. Lavine was showing flashes of offensive stardom in January. Marrkkanen was like the beat 7 foot shooting big in college ... ever. Dunn I wont defend until I watch him play, but go back and see the word on him pre last years draft. I refuse to believe he jsut fell off like that, but we ll see on him

 

[cornercommission2k12]

You dont need to be mesmorized by the clips ... just know there will be high level elite talent at the top of the next two drafts.

I dont think the return for Jimmy was as poor as you do I guess. Lavine was showing flashes of offensive stardom in January. Marrkkanen was like the beat 7 foot shooting big in college ... ever. Dunn I wont defend until I watch him play, but go back and see the word on him pre last years draft. I refuse to believe he jsut fell off like that, but we ll see on him

I also know, thibs don't like rookies. Or he likes to bring them along very slow. So there is some hope in that.

But again, I'm not trying to create a rebuild vs no rebuild thing with the brehs. It's more those optimistic about the future vs those pessimistic about it. I don't like kick starting a rebuild with so many questions marks. But I do in fact hope this starts progressing towards some positive. Lavine could be a bigger star in chicago than jimmy ever was.

 

[Brozay]

I also know, thibs don't like rookies. Or he likes to bring them along very slow. So there is some hope in that.

But again, I'm not trying to create a rebuild vs no rebuild thing with the brehs. It's more those optimistic about the future vs those pessimistic about it. I don't like kick starting a rebuild with so many questions marks. But I do in fact hope this starts progressing towards some positive. Lavine could be a bigger star in chicago than jimmy ever was.

embrace the tank breh, we'll be in a better spot a year from now and it will start to make sense again

 

[Brozay]

i started a new 2k mygm league last night with updated rosters

at the trade deadline the Bulls were 2nd in the Eastern conference

and thats with me benching Wade/Niko and playing them only 15 mins a night - i traded Niko and our first to get a higher pick at the deadline since I was planning on us sucking and drafting top 5

Bulls ended up as the #1 seed, and lost in the Finals to Houston (also, ) in 7 games

 

[philmonroe]

i started a new 2k mygm league last night with updated rosters

at the trade deadline the Bulls were 2nd in the Eastern conference

and thats with me benching Wade/Niko and playing them only 15 mins a night - i traded Niko and our first to get a higher pick at the deadline since I was planning on us sucking and drafting top 5

Bulls ended up as the #1 seed, and lost in the Finals to Houston (also, ) in 7 games

Hoi Ball in effect lol