Neil DeGrasse Tyson on God's Existence

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Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

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At the very least logic would dictate "some
[QUOTE="hayesc0, post: 24838290, member: 668"Doe]sn't make sense people will talk about gods influence all the time then when something fukked up happens the free will argument comes back into the equation. "Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?[/QUOTE]

People are idiots.
 
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That's not how this works. Burden of proof. The one making the claim has to prove it.

If you claim that there is god you have to give solid evidence to prove that. Its not on us to disprove it.

Its like if I asked you to prove there isnt a shoe orbiting around Mars.

Couldn't one make the argument that proof of God is all around you. Yet you reject it as evidence.
 

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I believe in God but I don't think he's as involved in our lives as we'd like him to be. For instance there was a story that happened last year with a 6 year old boy. He was taken from his mom (physical abuse) and placed with his father and step mom. His father then took to abuse and abuse the boy. He was tied to a chair for days at a time and beat, he died. The dad fed him to pigs. That child didn't ask to be here. He was abused by both parents and step mom. No one cared or loved him his short life. Why would God allow that? What purpose did that child have? It was a waste.

I just don't know anymore. As for myself I try to live right and treat others fairly and with respect (as long as they don't disrespect me).
 

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That argument relies on two assumptions:

1. There IS in fact a god

2. God is omnipresent

You'd have the prove those things first.
Exactly thats my problem with it people reject all logic and reason when it comes to their belief in god now i can respect someone who says they believe and acknowledge it doesn't make any sense lol.
 

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What he says would make perfect sense if he was authorized to determine what is good.

Most people think on a small scale. There is no way for a man to comprehend the plan of The Most High. So we apply our very limited understanding to things much greater than ourselves.

Is a crackhead good or bad? Depends on your point of view. I can only speak for myself. When I see a crackhead it makes me not want to smoke crack. I'd call that good. Yin and Yang, there are 2 sides to everything and I pity those who only see one regardless of which side they see.
 

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What he says would make perfect sense if he was authorized to determine what is good.

Most people think on a small scale. There is no way for a man to comprehend the plan of The Most High. So we apply our very limited understanding to things much greater than ourselves.

Is a crackhead good or bad? Depends on your point of view. I can only speak for myself. When I see a crackhead it makes me not want to smoke crack. I'd call that good. Yin and Yang, there are 2 sides to everything and I pity those who only see one regardless of which side they see.
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What he says would make perfect sense if he was authorized to determine what is good.

Most people think on a small scale. There is no way for a man to comprehend the plan of The Most High. So we apply our very limited understanding to things much greater than ourselves.

Is a crackhead good or bad? Depends on your point of view. I can only speak for myself. When I see a crackhead it makes me not want to smoke crack. I'd call that good. Yin and Yang, there are 2 sides to everything and I pity those who only see one regardless of which side they see.


Well I imagine a man who deals with astronomy doesn't think I'm a small scale. He's a scientist. He seeks evidence before he makes judgements. That's why he dances around questions like these.

And yes. Crackheads are bad.
 

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What I find even more retarded than people thinking a "god" doesn't exist is people thinking that a god that created all of this advanced shyt around us and all of us would even give that much of a duck about us on an individual level

There's definitely a god and it isn't in the form we think of but to think everything just happened on accidentally but you can't explain that accident is dumb as hell to me
 

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What I find even more retarded than people thinking a "god" doesn't exist is people thinking that a god that created all of this advanced shyt around us and all of us would even give that much of a duck about us on an individual level

There's definitely a god and it isn't in the form we think of but to think everything just happened on accidentally but you can't explain that accident is dumb as hell to me
So its beyond our comprehension but you just managed to comprehend god?
 

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Well I imagine a man who deals with astronomy doesn't think I'm a small scale. He's a scientist. He seeks evidence before he makes judgements. That's why he dances around questions like these.

And yes. Crackheads are bad.

Anyone who sees a tsunami and calls it bad just because of his own view is thinking small. Our brains aren't even capable of comprehending certain things so it doesn't matter how many stars he gazes. The simple concept of infinity is beyond the scope of man. Yes we understand it on the surface, but something with no beginning and no end? It's really inconceivable on the physical plane, where everything has a beginning and end.

As humans, we cut down trees and set controlled fires to manipulate the Earth. To a passer by with no knowledge, they see a forest fire and immediately call it bad. This person lacks understanding.

But what you have to understand is there are 2 sides to EVERYTHING, breh. This is a basic concept that I honestly don't even expect you to understand so it's all good. Esoteric means likely to be understood by a small group of people. :yeshrug:

Scientists only concern themselves with the physical plane, which is the lowest of 7. You'll probably laugh and that's ok, I expect you to. Most people don't even bother to study the physical, just repeat things they heard. Since again, esoteric means understood by a small group, it will never be mainstream and most people just follow the masses. That's why people follow religions in the first place, they're following the masses. But most don't think or study, let alone reach higher planes.

Take this conversation between you and me for instance. You would probably call this a "coincidence" right? :heh:
 
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