Neil deGrasse Tyson’s 20-Minute TAKEDOWN of Christianity

[Majestyx]

That’s a good point. Hellenic influence turns God into Zeus sitting on a throne holding symbols of his power in each hand. Early Judaism he’s a presence that can take form when necessary but doesn’t have a set appearance.

there are a few books about how the jewish cult did have a more anthropomorphic view of el/yahweh/adonai. regardless, salute to people going back and forth with religious folks, it is fun when u aint got shyt else to do

 

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[Field Marshall Bradley]

This aint it....What policies were changed for our benefit.... What oppressive system was toppled by Stokely Carmichael?

 

[Lemons]

Never said he was the only one. I'm not in his fanclub and neither is he catering to the "ignorant". I love how you've established that his mostly Black audience is only captivated because we don't know better. Says a lot about YOU


You acting all the way retarded brother tone it down a lot. No he's not a fraud at all. His credentials are not in question and lastly you jumped out the window entirely with that sexual assault slander. He put his arm on a woman shoulder and she tried to #metoo him over that 10 years later.

Can't even believe you tried to weaponize that false allegation. Clearly you are willing to lie about dude you are not impartial or objective. You are just a straight up loser ass hater. Grown men with no integrity don't need to lie and embellish to get any valid point across. When you need to stand on lies to make your claims more enticing you are a stupid person with no integrity. Do better. Especially for someone calling a man with his credibility/credentials a liar then chosing to lie in order to get your points across. You could have just said you disagree with his stance on trans stuff instead of pretending he is a fraud because of a viewpoint or 2 you don't like. You reacted like a clown. An intellectual would always be up for a debate. A clown gets in his feelings and does what you doing in here

1. I am not a man

2. He was accused of sexual misconduct by four different women from the 1980s to the early 2000s. It wasn’t one sexual assault accusation. I understand you love him to death and take his word to heart so this doesn’t matter to you.

3. He’s still a complete fraud. His trans stance is proof that he has no integrity as a scientist or a man. If tomorrow he said the sky was red, despite everyone knowing it’s not, wouldn’t that force you to question his motivations? How is this different? He’s showing you he’s willing to lie and bend the truth to fit his ideological beliefs.

 

[Still Benefited]

Ok what we have seen is consistent across the board and match up with the predictive models scientists have created that prove the Big Bang occurred. It’s like going to a crime scene with the victim on the floor and the killer holding the knife matching the wounds inflicted on the victim and saying well I didn’t check the house down the street.

If for some reason there were irregularities the scientists would then try to figure that out instead of going Dj Khalid “God did”





It’s not dumber because we actually have mathematical equations and predictive models that we can plug in numbers that prove the that at one point the universe rapidly expanded from its highly dense and super hot state. We further more can observe the actions of atoms and how they react when collided with each other at high speeds which produce explosions and the radiation that we observe throughout the universe.

Scientists are constantly testing their equations and retesting and observing and testing. They don’t have the luxury or inclination to point at something they don’t understand and say “must have been magic”


Are mountain ranges blinked into existence? Are rivers? Are oceans? Are deserts? No they are formed by observable phenomena, so why would you believe in magic as the origin of the universe when we see how matter reacts with other forms of matter to produce something new.



Because there are objects in the universe that are older than other objects. For instance the chemical signatures of some suns show that they are older than our sun. If the universe was just “blinked” into existence why would anything be older or younger than anything else?

Also why are we seeing the expansion and cooling of the universe? If it was just “made” why would we see these observable phenomena? Wouldn’t everything be the same age? Why is matter moving from an inflection point? Why is the universe getting colder?



Because we know from radiometric dating that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. We know from observing stars that have burnt through their fuel how long it takes for a star of a certain mass to burn through there’s. Those stars are older than earth.

We can also observe microwaves and light in the universe and estimate how old the universe is.

Again these are all observable and testable. Nobody is coming to these conclusions based on what they read in a book written by desert nomads and agriculturalists who need to an SAT.



Yeah and genies grant wishes and the tooth fairy gives you a dollar for your teeth and Daenerys Targaryeon rode dragons. Anything is plausible in imagination.


One bomb composed of rapidly colliding matter annihilated Hiroshima in milliseconds and produced radioactive material over a vast area. The massive energies involved in the creation of the universe though not the same kind of reaction would similarly produce reaction in milliseconds.




And Paul Atreides will lead the Freman to conquer the galaxy and Frodo will destroy the one ring in the fires of mount doom.

We can all tell stories. That’s not what science is.




Buddhism does not have a creator God.

You do realize predictive models are based on grand assumptions made by the European. I take those with a grain of salt. Its more like investigating a murder suicide,then recieving a call about a murder 3 houses down. But you decide to just assume they arent connected and only focus on the details within the house. Your analogy doesnt work because you KNOW theres another murder! You know theyve only observed a miniscule ammount of the universe.


What your basically doing is mansplaining creation. Just because humans have their way of describing it,doesnt mean god didnt do it. If i found a cake,gave the ingredients used to make it. Doesnt mean the cake wasnt baked by someone.

Also radiometric dating is suspect and also based on assumptions,see a pattern here? You gotta stop just believing everything they tell you. They know how long it takes for a star to burn?okay


What im saying is we dont know whats new and whats old. We couldve all just been blinked into this plane and given a backstory. Matter of fact i could be the only one who actually exist in this plane,and the rest of you are just extras in my movie. The person your sitting next to could literally be in another plane of existence,fighting in a world war in space. If you want real world examples you have your dreams. Where you just pop up in a world you created nightly. Then you have your birth,you dont remember being born. You just popped up out of the blue and have a backstory.



You refuse to believe a being exist that has a great ability to manipulate energy in such a fashion. Yet somehow you believe the universe was created in miliseconds. It was in a state of chaos,yet somehow managed to create multiple systems that work in conjunction as if it were designed.


Go to a junk yard,scramble it up a gazillion times and build me a honda civic by happy accident.



As far as buddhist,those people werent born buddhist. They found or were programmed to believe in that just like i was with the bible. Im talking about default settings. If you were taught nothing about a god,you on your own would begin to think about a god,create dieties or worship nature which is God

 

[Peter Popoff]

Ezekiel 1:26-28 "Above the expanse over their heads was what looked like a throne of sapphire, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.”

Revelation 1:14-16 “His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.”




That’s a humanoid being. That’s not a mistake either as Angels are described as floating spinning eyeballs with dozens of wings.

Dudes sitting down on a throne.




Again this still doesn’t answer why God has human emotions. Why would an eternal being that can do an anything and be anything at any point in time and is experience past present and future all at once feel love, anger and jealousy? These are primal instincts that we use to survive day to day life and cohabitate with others. Why would a supernatural being not bound by space and time and supposedly had the sun coming out of its face need to feel anything at all?

Once again, that's Jesus, not God the father and 2nd, these are visions and interpretations from the prophet Ezekiel but not people that actually were in God's presence. I've already explained this.

Revelation talks about Christ coming back. Jesus is sitting a throne. The prophets are sitting beside him. The angels being described as having many eyes. The eyes, the wheels, these are visions and a dream along with the seven lamp stands which symbolize the 7 churches or multiple denominations and what is practiced. It talks about correcting each denomination and which is wrong, which is right, etc. There's many different variations of angels including ones that come in human form. In spirit form, things are hard to describe so they were given dreams to write down.

When I was a kid, I once woke up, floating outside my body able to see my body, behind me, around me and through me at the same time but I dunno, that's another story.

God having human emotions or man having spiritual emotions? Which came first? Even sin has many emotions. Did man come before sin? The jealous God that opposes mankind worshipping other God's? Your relating emotions to something coming from man. How could God create without emotion? Anything devoid of emotion is lifeless. So that confirms that God is life with emotions right. Also Jesus wept. Crying is the reaction from an emotion, correct and Jesus comes from God, right?

 

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Black Freethought from Slavery to Civil Rights: Atheism and Agnosticism in African American Cultural and Intellectual Life | Readex

In his second autobiography, My Bondage and My Freedom, Frederick Douglass asserted that throughout his life his religious views “pass[ed] over the whole scale and circle of belief and unbelief, from faith in the overruling Providence of God, to the blackest atheism.”[1] The point at which he...

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"In his Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, An American Slave: Written by Himself, published in 1845, Frederick Douglass makes his opposition to American Christianity patently clear. The text is filled with not-so-subtle references to the hypocrisy of Christianity, including his assertion that “it is almost an unpardonable offence to teach slaves to read in this Christian country.”[2] He further claims that while Christianity brands itself as a religion of love and peace, in the antebellum South both of those traits were nowhere to be seen. His master, for example, converted to the Methodist faith in 1832, and Douglass hoped he would either free his slaves or at least treat them better. Neither of these occurred and in fact, his master became even crueler in his eyes because he now had religious justification for everything he did.


While Douglass here critiques the religion of the South, he went even further in his 1852 oration on the Fourth of July, noting that white churches in the North were also complicit in slavery because they refused to condemn it from the pulpit or expel slaveholders from their congregations. In fact, Douglass argued of most northern churches: “I would say welcome infidelity! Welcome atheism! Welcome anything! In preference to the gospel, as preached by those Divines!”[3] After the Civil War, Douglass further displayed his independence from traditional religious ideas and institutions. He noted that he liked to thank men for their efforts in freeing the slaves rather than thanking God. When black ministers released a statement saying they would not acknowledge him as a leader of the race if he couldn’t give glory to God, Douglass replied, “I bow to no priests either of faith or of unfaith. I claim as against all sorts of people, simply perfect freedom of thought.”[4]"

 

[Mister Terrific]

You do realize predictive models are based on grand assumptions made by the European.

The device you’re talking to me on right now was made by a European who studied mathematics and engineering in school and crafted a new technology. What does that have to do with anything?

You literally in your daily life utilize technology only in existence do to predictive models and mathematical equations.

Furthermore an assumption is believing in a sky genie that grants wishes blinked all of existence into reality for the sole purpose of lording over a group of desert farmers.

Scientists observe, test and replicate data over and over again. Their data is mathematical equations, yours is a fantasy book.

You know theyve only observed a miniscule ammount of the universe.

46 billion light years. 46 billion light years and all predictive models and observable phenomena remains constant.

What your basically doing is mansplaining creation. Just because humans have their way of describing it,doesnt mean god didnt do it.

Evidence?

They know how long it takes for a star to burn?okay

Yeah, here’s the equation

(2E30 kg)/(3.939E26 Watts/c*c)*0.007 in years


Further reading Stellar evolution - Wikipedia

What im saying is we dont know whats new and whats old. We couldve all just been blinked into this plane and given a backstory. Matter of fact i could be the only one who actually exist in this plane,and the rest of you are just extras in my movie. The person you’re sitting next to could literally be in another plane of existence,fighting in a world war in space. If you want real world examples you have your dreams. Where you just pop up in a world you created nightly. Then you have your birth,you dont remember being born. You just popped up out of the blue and have a backstory.

That’s a philosophical problem. Fun to think about but not really relative to a creator God.

You refuse to believe a being exist that has a great ability to manipulate energy in such a fashion. Yet somehow you believe the universe was created in miliseconds. It was in a state of chaos,yet somehow managed to create multiple systems that work in conjunction as if it were designed.

If there was a being capable of creating trillions of light years of existence while abiding by physical laws of nature it it would be so far away from the God you believe in that the entire purpose of faith would be redundant.

Chaos is the natural state of the universe. Matter smashes into each other, energy disperses, reforms, oceans dry, forests turn to deserts, seas claim mountains, suns explode, black holes swallow galaxies. You think there is a plan is trying to rationalize a chaotic existence you have no real control over.

Btw when stars explode they release energy into space at 40,000 miles per second. The energies that created a star would obviously need to be a magnitude greater.

As far as buddhist,those people werent born buddhist. They found or were programmed to believe in that just like i was with the bible. Im talking about default settings. If you were taught nothing about a god,you on your own would begin to think about a god,create dieties or worship nature which is God:respect:

The Pirahã do not believe in creator Gods only the immediacy of what they can observe.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

So 2012. Young people are embracing Christianity more , nobody cares about this shyt anymore

 

[Hov]

Black Freethought from Slavery to Civil Rights: Atheism and Agnosticism in African American Cultural and Intellectual Life | Readex

In his second autobiography, My Bondage and My Freedom, Frederick Douglass asserted that throughout his life his religious views “pass[ed] over the whole scale and circle of belief and unbelief, from faith in the overruling Providence of God, to the blackest atheism.”[1] The point at which he...

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"In his Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, An American Slave: Written by Himself, published in 1845, Frederick Douglass makes his opposition to American Christianity patently clear. The text is filled with not-so-subtle references to the hypocrisy of Christianity, including his assertion that “it is almost an unpardonable offence to teach slaves to read in this Christian country.”[2] He further claims that while Christianity brands itself as a religion of love and peace, in the antebellum South both of those traits were nowhere to be seen. His master, for example, converted to the Methodist faith in 1832, and Douglass hoped he would either free his slaves or at least treat them better. Neither of these occurred and in fact, his master became even crueler in his eyes because he now had religious justification for everything he did.


While Douglass here critiques the religion of the South, he went even further in his 1852 oration on the Fourth of July, noting that white churches in the North were also complicit in slavery because they refused to condemn it from the pulpit or expel slaveholders from their congregations. In fact, Douglass argued of most northern churches: “I would say welcome infidelity! Welcome atheism! Welcome anything! In preference to the gospel, as preached by those Divines!”[3] After the Civil War, Douglass further displayed his independence from traditional religious ideas and institutions. He noted that he liked to thank men for their efforts in freeing the slaves rather than thanking God. When black ministers released a statement saying they would not acknowledge him as a leader of the race if he couldn’t give glory to God, Douglass replied, “I bow to no priests either of faith or of unfaith. I claim as against all sorts of people, simply perfect freedom of thought.”[4]"

Interesting that yet again

To refute Christianity you share something American slaveowners did in the name of Christianity that actually are serious offenses in Christianity (the worst being manipulating the Bible to do harm to others, which is said to actually come with a harsher judgement and penalty in the afterlife)

“He further claims that while Christianity brands itself as a religion of love and peace, in the antebellum South both of those traits were nowhere to be seen. His master, for example, converted to the Methodist faith in 1832, and Douglass hoped he would either free his slaves or at least treat them better. Neither of these occurred and in fact, his master became even crueler in his eyes because he now had religious justification for everything he did.

But there is ZERO justification in any scripture story or text that allows for what the slaveowner did.

It’s like saying the NFL is responsibly for what Aaron Hernandez did when he murdered people…

 

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Interesting that yet again

To refute Christianity you share something American slaveowners did in the name of Christianity that actually are serious offenses in Christianity (the worst being manipulating the Bible to do harm to others, which is said to actually come with a harsher judgement and penalty in the afterlife)

“He further claims that while Christianity brands itself as a religion of love and peace, in the antebellum South both of those traits were nowhere to be seen. His master, for example, converted to the Methodist faith in 1832, and Douglass hoped he would either free his slaves or at least treat them better. Neither of these occurred and in fact, his master became even crueler in his eyes because he now had religious justification for everything he did.

But there is ZERO justification in any scripture story or text that allows for what the slaveowner did.

It’s like saying the NFL is responsibly for what Aaron Hernandez did when he murdered people…

1 Peter 2:18-20 (King James version)
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.

 

[Hov]

1 Peter 2:18-20 (King James version)
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.

Brother we went over this only a few posts ago

 

[Hov]

1 Peter 2:18-20 (King James version)
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.

@ReasonableMatic

Ephesians 6:5 - 8 "Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a bondservant or is free."

In 1st century, a "bondservant" (or "slave") wasn’t always what we picture from American slavery. Many were people who worked under someone to pay off debts, sometimes by choice, and sometimes born into it. Some were treated well others were not. It wasn’t ideal but it was part of the economy and society at the time.

Paul is not endorsing slavery, he’s speaking to real people living in a real system that already existed. Instead of starting a political revolution (which would’ve gotten Christians killed instantly in Rome), he focused on transforming hearts inside the system.

This passage is about faithfulness, not slavery approval.

In the very next verse (Ephesians 6:9), Paul tells masters to treat their servants with respect and no threats, because God shows no favoritism. That was crazy in a culture where masters could legally kill slaves without consequence.

Paul wasn’t teaching Christians how to support slavery he was teaching Christians how to live faithfully in an unjust world until God changes it from the inside out.

And over time, that heart-change approach led to revolutions like with William Wilberforce who used scriptures like this to fight slavery altogether with US.

CONTEXT

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What transatlantic slaveowners did was rip pages out of the Bible (thus creating what was known as the “The Slave Bible” google it) because they knew they the REAL Bible would incite rebellion

Why would they do that if the Bible supported slavery

People who read the REAL Bible in FULL snuck the real versions to slaves which actually started the revolts that eventually led to freedom.

As stated by Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, David Walker, Sojo Truth and others

 

[Hov]

“I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land.” — Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave (1845)

“Between the Christianity of this land and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference…”

@2 Up 2 Down if you’re gonna quote Frederick include all of what he says. He’s saying he hates hypocrites and how white america used Christianity not Christ

 

[Still Benefited]

The device you’re talking to me on right now was made by a European who studied mathematics and engineering in school and crafted a new technology. What does that have to do with anything?

You literally in your daily life utilize technology only in existence do to predictive models and mathematical equations.

Furthermore an assumption is believing in a sky genie that grants wishes blinked all of existence into reality for the sole purpose of lording over a group of desert farmers.

Scientists observe, test and replicate data over and over again. Their data is mathematical equations, yours is a fantasy book.




46 billion light years. 46 billion light years and all predictive models and observable phenomena remains constant.


Evidence?





Yeah, here’s the equation

(2E30 kg)/(3.939E26 Watts/c*c)*0.007 in years


Further reading Stellar evolution - Wikipedia




That’s a philosophical problem. Fun to think about but not really relative to a creator God.





If there was a being capable of creating trillions of light years of existence while abiding by physical laws of nature it it would be so far away from the God you believe in that the entire purpose of faith would be redundant.

Chaos is the natural state of the universe. Matter smashes into each other, energy disperses, reforms, oceans dry, forests turn to deserts, seas claim mountains, suns explode, black holes swallow galaxies. You think there is a plan is trying to rationalize a chaotic existence you have no real control over.

Btw when stars explode they release energy into space at 40,000 miles per second. The energies that created a star would obviously need to be a magnitude greater.


The Pirahã do not believe in creator Gods only the immediacy of what they can observe.

What does invention of a cell phone have to do with what we are talking about. Plus god created the humans and materials used to create the phone. Therefore he also created the phone by your logic. Your athiesm prevents you from seeing this clearly.


You said that right,engineers not scientist. Many scientist cant even explain how the things engineers build work. Yet you think somehow they have some sort of comprehensive knowledge of how Gods works work and why?

You can pretend we live in chaos to prove a point. But your in a very relaxed state right now,everything working cohesively in your body and outside of it so that you can live. These systems are complex almost as if they were designed. Of course you will call certain things chaos because you have no full understanding of why they work like they do,or what the purpose is. That doesnt mean its "chaos" to the engineer who designed it(God).


Now you say if there was a god he would be far above the God I believe in,absolutely. He would also be above what your little scientist can comprehend,dont leave that part out



I dont need to prove anything,as the evidence of design points to a designer. Unless you can point to anything else that that has as many complex functions that are often interconnected,that just happened by way of a happy accident. I dont think you can do that,so evidence points to a designer until then. Not sure how scientist have the arrogance to say the "bang" itself wasnt created. Which would make their entire narrative invalid. Its clear as day they have to push their godless narrative so they can be God instead