New Erykah Badu interview: I saw something good in Hitler; Defends Cosby

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You’re an intellectual poster and I’m interested to see your perspective on this.

Do you think people are pure evil or even the most abhorrent human can have redeemable qualities and skills? Are humans a myriad of things?

Can a good man do bad and visa versa or do you believe in a moral absolutism?

Is she wrong to suggest theres humanity in everyone? :jbhmm:
Definitely two sides.
There’s the pragmatic side and the utopian side.
For utopian and philosophical purposes, yes, all people have some measure of redeemable skill or quality. We’re all human and concepts of evil are social constructs.

For pragmatic and real-world purposes (everything from relationships to governance), overwhelmingly negative or “evil” traits are disqualifiers for humanity-chasing, and boxing a person in is perfectly appropriate. There’s no need to waste resources hoping to find the “good” in a genocidal leader, or any of their ilk.
 

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What the hell is up with blks being willing to take Ls for whites by saying shyt that could be misinterpreted by the press and lead to them getting negative publicity? This is the same shyt I was talking about with Dave Chapelle and his comments on the whole #metoo wave.

On one hand I don't want to censure blacks from saying what we wanna say in public. I'm sure she don't give a damn about what the media thinks about her. But on the other hand, Hitler's ain't shyt ass ain't worth the trouble of getting bad press by making comments that can low-key be interpreted as her caping for a Nazi.

I don't give a damn about being balanced and fair when it comes to white fukkery, b/c no white celebrities will ever brave media bullets to take up for us as a race.

Save the nuanced discourses for other blks who deserve that empathy and understanding. Let them crackas deal with their own shytty moral issues.

And I get where she was going but it's irritating when we put an even larger target on our backs discussing white fukkery.

Kinda agree with this but she was going to recieve and has recieved some heat for her unpopular comments on Cosby, Farrakhan and XXXTentacion who are obviously Black.

I agree these men deserve the flack more than a racist cac who commited mass genocide.
Most people arent even going to read the past the headline because it’s 2018 and reading shyt is played out.

Boring having Black celebs always censored for not always following the strict ideological confines of liberal Black twitter who itching to “cancel” celebs anyway.
 

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Why shouldn't Chappelle be able to say whatever he wants and deal with whatever consequences come from it?

Why shouldn't Erykah?

They aren't teenagers who don't understand how the media works, but adults and veterans of the entertainment industry.

Come on breh.. Chappelle has not said one positive word about Hitler in the media
 

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Definitely two sides.
There’s the pragmatic side and the utopian side.
For utopian and philosophical purposes, yes, all people have some measure of redeemable skill or quality. We’re all human and concepts of evil are social constructs.

For pragmatic and real-world purposes (everything from relationships to governance), overwhelmingly negative or “evil” traits are disqualifiers for humanity-chasing, and boxing a person in is perfectly appropriate. There’s no need to waste resources hoping to find the “good” in a genocidal leader, or any of their ilk.

You summarised it in a way I was trying to.

Seeing as her personality is more to the philosophical side and was using a loosely hypothetical example, is she wrong?

Do you agree with the first example in regards to the other celebrities she mentioned?
 

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Come on breh.. Chappelle has not said one positive word about Hitler in the media

???????

Do you have the person whose post I quoted and responded to on ignore?

HE alluded to something Chappelle said regarding the "me too" movement, and the backlash he got.
He mentioned this Badu interview and he questioned Black celebs engaging in these types of controversial topics

My take is that DC and EB are adults......decades long vets of entertainment industry , know how it works and should be able to say what they want and accept whatever consequences come.
 

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Social Justice warriors, Keyboard activists, It don't matter the terminologies are you lil whiny ass bytch. The outrage and possible boycott to her career will most likely start there. This is the point where we at where muthafukkas can spark outrages whenever it be legitimate or faux behind a tablet. It was simply a stupid comment she made, nothing more nothing less. Nothing for her career to be ended off of or her career to be boycotted. Fukk up outta my post.
You’re the one whining about some shyt that hasn’t even happened. “:to: they gon end her career:mjcry: Wipe your tears and blow your nose bytch.


I understand the reporter bringing up what he did...either because he's a jew or because he answers to jews.
So basically you ran in here with your own agenda based on some personal beef you’ve got with white Jews. I don’t dice white people up like that. White Jews are just white people to me. I let them worry about their civil wars and internal beefs. That’s not my concern outside for mown benefit. It’s not about them being Jewish because they’re black jews. When you talk about Jews controlling folk you’re talking about white people.

Look, Hitler was a staunch diehard white supremacist who literally waged war on the world in an effort to impose his brand of aryan white supremacy. That’s enough to make all blacks condemn him and everything that he stood for regardless of what white Jews have to say.
 

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The problem with not reading the source material is that you never end up getting the full picture, or even an understanding of what the message truly is.
This is also from the interview:

[there's stuff written here]...I went to Cuba, illegally, in 2000.

What happened?
That trip was the trip where I left behind the big headwrap I used to wear. I got a story about that. Want to hear it?

Yeah, of course.
I was dating Common. After André [Benjamin] and I split, Common and I fused into a couple in some kind of way. And he took me to Cuba. He said he wanted me to get a Santería reading there.

I can’t believe you fell for that line.
[Laughs] That line works! I was into Candomblé back then too. And La Regla de IfáSantería, or La Regla de Ifá, is a religious bricolage of Yoruba, Christian, and indigenous American beliefs; it is practiced throughout the African diaspora in the Caribbean, though the United States has around 20,000 practitioners. Candomblé is an Afro-Brazilian religion merging Catholicism, West African religious tradition, and indigenous American beliefs, with about 2 million followers in the Americas.Badu coined the term for her debut album, the 1997 triple-platinum, Grammy-winner that made her a leading voice in neo-soul.. That kind of thing was so exciting to me. And at that time, I was wearing all white, with a towering white headwrap — I thought that if people saw white, it would attract great energy. So Common took me to Cuba, and we went to meet an interpreter named Pablo who led us to where the Santería reading was. And we got there and were waiting in line on the curb with everyone else who was there for a reading. On my right was this man smoking a cigar, and he had on the dirtiest Pumas I had ever seen in my life. On my left was a man who had on the tightest white shorts — you could see his nuts. I was okay with that. I wasn’t okay with those two passing a cigarette back and forth over the white shyt I was wearing. But we were in Cuba, and it was their home, so I went with it. Finally, this short little lady in a long yellow dress came out and said it was my turn.

Then what happened?
So she brought me into a little room in a house with no ceiling. I was kneeling on the floor and she was washing my headwrap; it was a ritual, to soften my spirit. Pablo was explaining everything to me. Then a girl came in, without knocking, and reached over me to grab something off a clothesline. And I’m thinking, This reading is a dream for me, and people are just coming in like that? So we kept going, and then the man with the Pumas came in and was just standing there with a beer. And I’m like, Wait a minute, this is not what I had in mind. And Pablo turns to me and says, “He’s the priest.” Then I changed. I didn’t need the headwrap anymore.

What exactly was the epiphany?
In that moment, I realized that you don’t have to meet anyone else’s expectations. You don’t have to conform to anything other than who you are. The guy in the Pumas came from a long line of healers, and he didn’t have to look like one to be one. (Notice that over here she tells you how profoundly the knoweldge that "people aren't always what they seem" shaped her persona. That has become her main ontological vein.)

Do you remember the actual reading?
I don’t. Maybe it was something like “Don’t get with Common.”

What’s a more recent epiphany?
One of my children was asking me, “Mom, when we die, do we come back?” And I said, “I don’t know. But that sounds good.” “Do we choose the people we want to be with when we come back?” I said, “I don’t know. But maybe we do.” She said, “Well, when I die, I’m going to choose to be with you again.” It was easy tears. It made me think that all that matters is how she sees me. But, I’m sorry, did I offend you in any way earlier when you thought I was defending anti-Semitism?

I wasn’t offended. It’s more that I was worried —
“Is she about to get in here and Black Power me to death?”

No no, not that at all. But I think partly it’s that, as a Jew
Okay, I could tell.

Is it my schnoz?
Just, you got a whole Jewish thing.

I’ll take that as a compliment.
It is. A sexy JewishWriter’s note: Badu is a very generous soul. thing.

But no, I wasn’t offended.
Oh good. That makes me happy
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@Geoffrey_Chaucer yes, it does seem like she tries a bit too hard to be different; but I don't think she is a person deserving of being offended as you have offended her in this thread breh. Be kind to those willing to apologize for the mere notion that they may have offended someone.

The way you talked about her, it's like you personally have a particular problem with her. Not a good look breh.

Edit:

What’s something you’re still learning to do?
You can build a whole fukking world on the shyt I don’t know. I used to want to appear like I knew everything, and now my favorite answer to give is “I don’t know.” I just love to say, “I don’t know.” It makes life a whole lot easier.

Well, guess even Socrates himself would have proudly crowned her a wise human being just off of that.
:mjlol: gtfoh
 

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this is the full section of the interview



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I understand the reporter bringing up what he did...either because he's a jew or because he answers to jews. Can't see anybody else reacting one way or the other to anything she said in the interview.
Hitler is the bogey man for jews, but through their influence in the media they have Black people as upset about this as they are. Simon says.

I brought up founding fathers of this country owning plantations and human beings and wondered whether you'd be so quick to raise eyebrow to somebody call them great men.

So basically you ran in here with your own agenda based on some personal beef you’ve got with white Jews. I don’t dice white people up like that. White Jews are just white people to me. I let them worry about their civil wars and internal beefs. That’s not my concern outside for mown benefit. It’s not about them being Jewish because they’re black jews. When you talk about Jews controlling folk you’re talking about white people.

Look, Hitler was a staunch diehard white supremacist who literally waged war on the world in an effort to impose his brand of aryan white supremacy. That’s enough to make all blacks condemn him and everything that he stood for regardless of what white Jews have to say.

this is the 2nd time you've read, and then completely ignored my origin point to you..which was about the "great men" founding fathers who owned plantations and human beings...and whether you'd raise an eyebrow in the presence of a person who called them great men.

You have your own reasons for that, but just putting it there again for the record.

I don't think you notice the puppet strings that media has on people. What gets covered and what doesn't. What people are supposed to care about and not.

My "beef" with white jews stems from picking up on this media manipulation when I was 15. Most recently though, the "beef" was heightened by the same people who bring up the holocaust every 15 minutes doing a complete media blackout about the treatment of the Ethiopian jews and Black immigrants in Israel. And decades earlier a media blackout of Israel doing deals with South Africa even after global condemnation of the apartheid there. If the Apartheid system wasn't evil, I don't know what was

So excuse me when I laugh about jews crying over Hitler, or when I cringe about Blacks falling for that.
 

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Excuse isn’t the same as seperate . I never admitted to because I didn’t use those words nor do I think its the quite same thing. If anything, it’s being willfully ignorant.

For the note, I don’t think Hitler was a good example but the other celebrities were maybe a better case. Namely because the art wasnt spectacular plus his crimes far worse. Does look a bit funny style tryna find a redeeming quality in him.

To me, someone can approve something and not approve something else but I clearly look at it differently.

It’s an interesting moral discussion and I don’t have a concrete opinion as of yet, I repect peoples outlooks:manny:

I think it kind of is,seperating but supporting to me is excusing or forgiving the behavior,once the facts come out,or the person admits wrong doing. I guess whether forgiveness equals excusing is arguable. I don't find forgiveness to be wrong neccesarily,but like I said we all have our own ideas on what we find to be unforgiveable although thats not good Christian behavior.
Far as willful ignorance,denial is a tool often used to excuse behavior.

Of course we can never look into somebodies heart and truly tell if they are genuinely denying behaviors because they believe it. Or because they are just choosing to overlook it because of who the person is. If Michael Jackson wasn't Michael Jackson would folks be willfully ignorant and in denial? I will say though in the case of black people we do have a responsibility to be in denial and excuse behavior when other black people are involved.Based on the fact so called justice hasn't and still isn't as fair to us. But there should be limits.
 

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Too many brittle spirits

The other day they were talking about Holocaust Remembrance Day on the news and I said man fukk their holocaust my mother looked st me like I just told her that her cooking ain’t shyt.

Same people in Israel who fled the holocaust had no problem doing deals with Apartheid regime in South Africa, though.
 

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Hitler is garbage, but it's funny nobody is checking Hillary for saying Margaret Sanger is someone she admires greatly, someone who concocted a program responsible for over 10 million deaths of black babies...
 
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