New York rap scene worst in years, Pop Smoke was the last hope. end of a era

[ISO]

That was definitely a flop but you’re from NY so you won’t admit to it.

You don’t know what a flop is.

36,000 first week is a number 90% of the industry can’t touch

Its the equivalent of 50M+ streams first week

 

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A Boogie sold out 40 shows, 23 arenas but Scar Lip is the person on the NY list

Icewear Vezzo don’t even have 1M listeners on Spotify

I rock with NY artists, but besides the top 3 you mentioned. None off these other artists are as big as you think they are, outside off the Tri State.

Boogie had a lil run, cool and all, but not on no impactful shiit. I'll give you Pop. Fivio only has 1 song, and his time is almost up, if he don't get a hit. Sheff and Sleep are cool, but they still in that Mainstream Underground world. Tjay ain't done much in a minute.

I get the numbers stuff, but with NYC those numbers can be deceiving. An artists can pull numbers from NY, but no one has heard off em outside the Tri State. Look at the amount off NY artists with Millions off views. With little to no traction outside off The City

 

[ISO]

I rock with NY artists, but besides the top 3 you mentioned. None off these other artists are as big as you think they are, outside off the Tri State.

Boogie had a lil run, cool and all, but not on no impactful shiit. I'll give you Pop. Fivio only has 1 song, and his time is almost up, if he don't get a hit. Sheff and Sleep are cool, but they still in that Mainstream Underground world. Tjay ain't done much in a minute.

I get the numbers stuff, but with NYC those numbers can be deceiving. An artists can pull numbers from NY, but no one has heard off em outside the Tri State. Look at the amount off NY artists with Millions off views. With little to no traction outside off The City

You have a bias against artists from the city.

What has Luh Tyler done. What has Icewear Vezzo done. What has Rob49 done. What has Finesse2Tymes done.

What are these rappers in these other cities doing that NY artists aren’t doing.

Theres not that many people in NYC or the Tri State to match those numbers. Clearly people elsewhere are listening to these people otherwise they wouldn’t be able to book the shows they book or stream what they stream. It’s a clear bias against NYC artists on here.

 

[frush11]

The biggest things that hurt NY rappers is.

Talented Rapper Rappers don't get any support from the ground level. Outside off the late Kayslay, no other person who has any kinda position/influence is giving actual talent an opportunity at all. If they don't have numbers

No real venues anymore, and a lot off the young acts not really being allowed to perform in the city

If you young and don't rap about drill or have no associations to any gang gang, good luck getting a 1000 views, no matter how talented you are.

 

[frush11]

You have a bias against artists from the city.

What has Luh Tyler done. What has Icewear Vezzo done. What has Rob49 done. What has Finesse2Tymes done. What are these artists in these other cities doing that these NY rappers aren’t doing.

What are these rappers in these other cities doing that NY artists aren’t doing.

Theres not that many people in NYC or the Tri State to match those numbers. Clearly people elsewhere are listening to these people otherwise they wouldn’t be able to book the shows they book or stream what they stream. It’s a clear bias against NYC artists on here.

I listen to more young artists from NY then I do anywhere else. So I really don't have any bias, if any I'm more biased towards NY rappers.

You named a couple off Artist, who themselves are in the same categories, as the artist not named Nicki, Ice, or Cardi.

The point still stands, outside off those top 3, you overrate the impact off these NY artist.

Cause artists from NY literally have an advantage that only Cali, Chicago, Texas rappers have. They can do numbers on various platforms without much outside support

 

[ISO]

The biggest things that hurt NY rappers is.

Talented Rapper Rappers don't get any support from the ground level. Outside off the late Kayslay, no other person who has any kinda position/influence is giving actual talent an opportunity at all. If they don't have numbers

No real venues anymore, and a lot off the young acts not really being allowed to perform in the city

If you young and don't rap about drill or have no associations to any gang gang, good luck getting a 1000 views, no matter how talented you are.

This isn’t a NY thing. In present day hip hop if you aren’t a street guy good fukking luck.

This is an era where “talent” is also irrelevant people want entertainment.

This is what I mean when I say the goalposts and standards are moved.

NY doesn’t have Kay Slay but this is an entirely different era. Y’all way too stuck in the past. The new artists have their platforms OnTheRadar, ShotByOA, Talk Of The Town, etc. there’s new people making a name for themselves in the media and radio world putting on this generation of artists. These people will be looked at as the Kay Slays and Ralph McDaniels’ of their time years from now after the smoke clears.

 

[ISO]

I listen to more young artists from NY then I do anywhere else. So I really don't have any bias, if any I'm more biased towards NY rappers.

You named a couple off Artist, who themselves are in the same categories, as the artist not named Nicki, Ice, or Cardi.

The point still stands, outside off those top 3, you overrate the impact off these NY artist.

Cause artists from NY literally have an advantage that only Cali, Chicago, Texas rappers have. They can do numbers on various platforms without much outside support

I’m not overrating anything.

You are underrating the impact of these artists and literally disregarding hard data.

U said A boogie had a “lil run” this is not a lil run. This discography shows non stop work for years, dozens of plaques, featured across the industry, and during his run A boogie influence was felt in hip hop culture both sonically and in fashion and people in the industry would most def vouch for that. This is not a “lil run” if he was from anywhere else it would never be described as such.

A Boogie wit da Hoodie discography - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

40 sold out shows with 23 of them that were arenas this year and 21M Spotify monthly listeners nothing about this is a lil run.

 

[frush11]

This isn’t a NY thing. In present day hip hop if you aren’t a street guy good fukking luck.

This is an era where “talent” is also irrelevant people want entertainment.

This is what I mean when I say the goalposts and standards are moved.

NY doesn’t have Kay Slay but this is an entirely different era. Y’all way too stuck in the past. The new artists have their platforms OnTheRadar, ShotByOA, Talk Of The Town, etc. there’s new people making a name for themselves in the media and radio world putting on this generation of artists. These people will be looked at as the Kay Slays and Ralph McDaniels’ of their time years from now after the smoke clears.

I know all those platforms, and those platforms are like every other platforms. Unless you got numbers coming in. You ain't doing numbers period.

You'll see a Onemic vid with half a million views, and right underneath it, is another vid with barely a 1000 views. And the latter is a clearly better song.

None off these platforms put anyone on, who ain't already lit.

We need to find ways to incorporate certain things from the past. Like actually growing and grooming real talent.

 

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I’m not overrating anything.

You are underrating the impact of these artists and literally disregarding hard data.

U said A boogie had a “lil run” this is not a lil run. This discography shows non stop work for years, dozens of plaques, featured across the industry, and during his run A boogie influence was felt in hip hop culture both sonically and in fashion and people in the industry would most def vouch for that. This is not a “lil run” if he was from anywhere else it would never be described as such.

A Boogie wit da Hoodie discography - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

40 sold out shows with 23 of them that were arenas this year and 21M Spotify monthly listeners nothing about this is a lil run.

What arenas and which cities.

I'm just telling you Numbers for NY artists means something different.

Brooklyn drill nikkas were getting millions of views before Pop. Think about that.

In most areas getting 100,000 views is still a big deal.

 

[spliz]

His numbers didn’t reflect that.

Before he died he was way more popular than every Detroit rapper.

He had 3x as many monthly Spotify listeners as Baby Tron.

He had more Spotify monthly listeners than Babyface Ray and Baby Tron combined.

These nikkas are insane. Yo I told my boy bout this convo and the first thing nikka said was “them nikkas couldn’t be outside. U couldn’t go nowhere in NY without hearing Pop…” nikka was legit dumbfounded at the fact someone is trying to say otherwise. lol.

 

[ISO]

What arenas and which cities.

I'm just telling you Numbers for NY artists means something different.

Brooklyn drill nikkas were getting millions of views before Pop. Think about that.

In most areas getting 100,000 views is still a big deal.

 

[ISO]

These nikkas are insane. Yo I told my boy bout this convo and the first thing nikka said was “them nikkas couldn’t be outside. U couldn’t go nowhere in NY without hearing Pop…” nikka was legit dumbfounded at the fact someone is trying to say otherwise. lol.

One of the biggest lies/revisionist history I’ve seen on this forum.

It’s probably nikkas out here that would put hands and feet on him for arguing that position and then talking how he was talking.

 

[spliz]

One of the biggest lies/revisionist history I’ve seen on this forum.

It’s probably nikkas out here that would put hands and feet on him for arguing that position and then talking how he was talking.

nikka was dead tryna talk like WE some internet nikkas for telling him he buggin. lol.

 

[frush11]

This isn’t a NY thing. In present day hip hop if you aren’t a street guy good fukking luck.

This is an era where “talent” is also irrelevant people want entertainment.

This is what I mean when I say the goalposts and standards are moved.

NY doesn’t have Kay Slay but this is an entirely different era. Y’all way too stuck in the past. The new artists have their platforms OnTheRadar, ShotByOA, Talk Of The Town, etc. there’s new people making a name for themselves in the media and radio world putting on this generation of artists. These people will be looked at as the Kay Slays and Ralph McDaniels’ of their time years from now after the smoke clears.

Back to this, I didn't say anything about street rap. I'm specific on drill rap.

Take out Ice and Tjay, Boogie was 2014, icant remember. How many Young rappers from NYC are remotely lit today, who ain't drilling, not general street rap, drill rap, smoking deads and whatnot.

The problem with this is, even they manage to get signed, unless they have the ability to switch like Fivio. Who had the advantage off being a proper artist way before Drill. They ain't getting any further.

And even with Sleepy and Sheff, they came from the first generation of NY Drill, where the constant smoking deads, and just dissing wasn't the thing. So they Still had to somewhat make music

There's need to be a way for NY to find a way for some off your young actual talent to have a chance

 

[ISO]

Back to this, I didn't say anything about street rap. I'm specific on drill rap.

Take out Ice and Tjay, Boogie was 2014, icant remember. How many Young rappers from NYC are remotely lit today, who ain't drilling, not general street rap, drill rap, smoking deads and whatnot.

The problem with this is, even they manage to get signed, unless they have the ability to switch like Fivio. Who had the advantage off being a proper artist way before Drill. They ain't getting any further.

And even with Sleepy and Sheff, they came from the first generation of NY Drill, where the constant smoking deads, and just dissing wasn't the thing. So they Still had to somewhat make music

There's need to be a way for NY to find a way for some off your young actual talent to have a chance

This is a general hip hop problem right now the industry is struggling to generate artists beyond niches.

I feel like most drill artists do switch up when they get signed though.

shyt like this is wavy and a different feel for Kenzo compared to the hardcore drill DOA stuff…



Tecca did blow his latest album just did 40K first week and he got 16M monthly followers on Spotify.

I like Cash Cobain (had a beat on the new Drake album) and Chow Lee potential as a duo