Newly Released North Korean Prisoner Otto Warmbier Dies

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You are right, I got the roles mixed up. Most were out having a good time, he was off to himself and up to shyt that the guide noticed.

They were all having a good time together until 2:30am or so. He's just the one who went back to the hotel first. There's no evidence that he was "off to himself" in any way except going to sleep before 4:30am for a 7am exit for the flight the next morning.



So there you go, right there for you, man was up to no good and got caught on tape stealing.
They found the shyt in his bag and its a wrap.

No, that's another lie, they never found anything in his bag. The poster was never removed from the hallway.
 

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They were all having a good time together until 2:30am or so. He's just the one who went back to the hotel first. There's no evidence that he was "off to himself" in any way except going to sleep before 4:30am for a 7am exit for the flight the next morning.





No, that's another lie, they never found anything in his bag. The poster was never removed from the hallway.
The guide told you what was up, if you think you know more than the people there thats you.

As for the poster being in his bag, Koreans said they have it, they have video of him taking it down. If you can show where you got your info feel free to do so.

Simple answer though is 1000s of Americans travel to North Korea every year, everyone isn't being arrested because most don't break the law.
 

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The guide told you what was up, if you think you know more than the people there thats you.
You are the one who is claiming you know more than the guide:

“Throughout the trip, Otto behaved as a typical tourist - taking pictures, enjoying himself. We had no indication that anything untoward had happened until the airport,” Guttridge said.

She states no indication that he had done anything wrong. Her other statement, "What happened at the hotel he kept to himself" is saying that they knew nothing about it. She didn't accuse the Korean government of lying because she works for an org that makes their money by maintaining a good relationship with the Korean government, but she said nothing there that indicted Otto.



Also, from his roommate on the trip:

"After handing their passports to the immigration officer, there was a short wait, followed by the appearance of two North Korean security officials, who took Warmbier to a private room.

Gratton assumed it was a routine check or another form of mild harassment because Warmbier was American.

'No words were spoken. Two guards just come over and simply tapped Otto on the shoulder and led him away,' Gratton said.

'I just said kind of quite nervously, 'Well, that's the last we'll see of you.' There's a great irony in those words.'

'That was it. That was the last physical time I saw Otto, ever. I was also the only person to see Otto taken away,' Gratton said. 'Otto didn't resist. He didn't look scared. He sort of half-smiled.'

Gratton also said he had no clue that Warmbier had taken the sign from the hotel lobby.

'I've got nothing from my experiences with him that would suggest he would do something like that,' he said.

'At no stage did I ever think he was anything but a very, very polite kid.'"

Otto Warmbier's room-mate recalls detention in North Korea | Daily Mail Online

In fact, Otto was the only American in the group - the rest were Brits, Canadians, etc. So maybe they took the American kid because that's the government that they wanted a meeting with?



As for the poster being in his bag, Koreans said they have it, they have video of him taking it down. If you can show where you got your info feel free to do so.

"'The slogan was bigger than he had thought. So he couldn't take it away and turned it upside down and deserted (it) on the floor when he had pulled it from the hangers,' the official said."

U.S. student held in North Korea 'confesses' - CNN

You will find zero cites of him having it in his bag. 100% of their "evidence" that he did it is that video where you can't even tell anything other than that it's a person.

So how did the North Koreans know it was him? How did they identify him and pull him out of the airport when you can't even tell from the video whether the person is Korean or White?




Simple answer though is 1000s of Americans travel to North Korea every year, everyone isn't being arrested because most don't break the law.

No, North Korea only arrests a few of them because they like to have some hostages around regularly in order to trade them for favors from the USA. There's no need for them to arrest 1000s of people, they just need to have a couple for their objectives.


"North Korea has a long history of detaining foreigners and has used jailed Americans in the past to extract high-profile visits from the United States to secure their release."

"US State Department spokesman Mark Toner said: 'Despite official claims that U.S. citizens arrested in the DPRK are not used for political purposes, it's increasingly clear from its very public treatment of these cases that the DPRK does exactly that.'"

"Other Westerners detained in North Korea have previously confessed to crimes against the state, though many later recant their confessions after being released, saying they were made under duress."

Moment Otto Warmbier steals propaganda poster bearing the name 'Kim Jong Il' from North Korean hotel | Daily Mail Online



"But past U.S. presidents have won the release of prisoners from North Korea, and the regime in Pyongyang routinely uses detainees as bargaining chips.

"This is a pretty regular thing," said Jeffrey Lewis, an analyst at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies. "North Korea grabs people and ransoms them when things get better.""

North Korea prisoners: Trump gets partial credit if hostages released



Though now there's also a second motive:

"Kim Jong Un is detaining American citizens as human shields amid fears of a U.S. attack targeting his nuclear and missile programs as part of a new form of "hostage diplomacy," according to experts.

North Korea has long detained U.S. citizens to use as bargaining chips.

But unlike his father Kim Jong Il, the young dictator is using prisoners to protect himself rather than as a tool to bring the U.S. to the negotiating table, analysts said."

North Korea's 'hostage diplomacy' has a new aim: self-preservation
 
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Also, the head of the tour company involved looks like a total POS. Some are speculating that Otto was just the scapegoat for other crazy stuff that went down that same night.

"On New Year’s Eve, the tour group allegedly went out drunkenly in Kim Il-sung Square in Pyongyang and were somehow able to interact directly with North Koreans. That’s when shyt hit the fan.

Danny Gratton, a Brit in his mid-forties, “takes a balloon on a string from some kid, waves the balloon up and down, and, like the Pied Piper, a bunch of North Koreans start following him,” says [one source], who says he was the only foreigner who joined along. The two men, engaging with the North Koreans, happy and laughing, strolled around the area for roughly half an hour.

The guy telling this story says he went back to the hotel after a little bit, because, you know, you don’t really want to be leading a whole bunch of North Koreans around Pyongyang after dark when you’re trashed. But Danny kept walking, and eventually disappeared with the small army he had gathered. According to the Politico story, the North Korean minders were really freaked out and had no idea where he was, while the Westerners (including Warmbier) were reportedly too drunk to realize what was going on. The missing Brit turned up on his own the next morning, but Politico says Danny’s actions somewhat concur with the timeframe during which Otto was supposed to have stolen the banner."

Some Crazy Drunken Stuff Happened On Otto Warmbier’s Fateful North Korea Trip




Here is some more information about them:

"Named for the military acronym of “demilitarised zone”, the DMZ Bar is the unofficial headquarters of Young Pioneer Tours, the travel company that organised the fateful tour to North Korea in January 2016 on which 21-year-old student Warmbier was detained. Over the past fortnight, the company set up in 2008 by Johnson and his Chinese wife, Wendy, has received an avalanche of criticism over its alcohol-fuelled tours as it and the more reputable companies that take non-mainland Chinese tourists into North Korea reassess their position in light of the tragedy.

While Warmbier’s family and US officials negotiated behind the scenes for the student’s release, Johnson carried on as before, declining to comment directly on the case and revelling in his company’s rebellious image. In a podcast interview broadcast last summer, Johnson described how, on one visit to North Korea, he broke his ankle after stepping off a moving train while drunk on soju, a potent Korean liquor.

In an interview with Vice magazine published last July, Johnson said he formed Young Pioneer in 2008 after getting drunk with a North Korean official “in charge of stuff” and claimed his company was now the “second biggest player in North Korea tourism”. He said he was unable to discuss Warmbier’s case but, in a remark that appeared to shift the blame towards the American student, said, “If I bring guests that are respectful, willing to listen, willing to interact with people, North Koreans will see that we are normal people as well.”

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Warmbier’s death unleashed a torrent of troubling accounts from former customers.Briton Adam Pitt, who visited North Korea with Young Pioneer in 2013, said in an interview he believed Johnson put his tour group in danger: “Gareth was pretty much blind drunk the whole time we were in the country,” he recalled, describing Johnson drinking so heavily on the train journey from Pyongyang back to Dandong, in China, that by the time they reached the border crossing, he was “almost unable to stand and barely understandable when he did speak”.

There then followed a farcical encounter with agitated border guards checking tourists’ cameras for illicitly taken pictures while Johnson tried to bribe them with wads of bank notes. At one point, guards appeared to signal for the entire tour party to get off the train before the situation was defused by Johnson giving a bigger bribe, Pitt claimed. Young Pioneer later disputed his account.

Johnson insists that he stayed behind in North Korea for days to find out more about Warmbier’s detention. However, his expressions of concern were undermined by a picture from North Korea posted on his Instagram account on January 11, 2016, nine days after Warmbier’s arrest, showing him fondly clutching a bottle of liquor.

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And an Instagram post on Johnson's account dated January 10, 2016, only eight days after Warmbier had been detained, shows a Caucasian man, though it's not clear who, standing in a train station while not wearing any pants. The photograph is described with the hashtag, #NorthKorea.

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An expat acquaintance who met Johnson in the Philippines says, “Gareth is a typical loud, drunken Brit who doesn’t seem to take anything very seriously. He was in the Philippines soon after Warmbier was jailed and the impression I got was that he didn’t give a damn. There’s only one person on planet Earth that Gareth Johnson gives a damn about and that’s Gareth Johnson. His businesses exist for his lifestyle, not the other way around.”"

North Korean tour groups in spotlight after Otto Warmbier's death in 2017



Former YPT clients, who are now stepping forward after Warmbier’s passing, reveal how the founder and its company are doing business.

Since the company’s inception in 2008, it has developed a party culture of being rowdy, rude, and drunk. This culture “trickles down” to YPT guests, according to Alex Hoban.

Earlier this week, Alex Hoban spoke about his previous experiences with YPT in The Guardian.

“Young Pioneer Tours has developed a reputation for gungho and unruly alcohol-fueled youths, propagating an unreal idea of North Korea where safety is an afterthought,” he said.

YPT’s website and Instagram even dismisses the rules. The words “no rules apply on this tour” shows YPT’s cocky attitude to North Korea’s conservative regulations.

Last year, Johnson told Vice that soju is the best weapon to make friends with North Koreans. Bribes and booze — this is how Johnson built the “excellent relations” he boasts about on his website.
 

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That GQ article was pretty fascinating. I don't doubt this guy was psychologically mistreated or tortured, but it sounds like North Korea has never physically abused a white American. They even keep them in fairly decent prisons/housing. The theory of Warmbier possibly attempting suicide, which lead to him going unconscious, is interesting and makes sense.

The end of the article shows everything that's wrong with Republicans. Warmbier's parents are Republicans and took the beating theory and ran with it, despite the coroner and others stating that were no signs of physical trauma. When confronted with that information, they ignored it and essentially fell in line with Trump, who stopped caring once he got his photo op with Kim Jong-Un and the other three American prisoners were released.

Sad.
 
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