NEWSFLASH: Theres Much More To Technical Skill Than Just Writing Lyrics On Paper

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SunZoo said:
:dead: @ this being an example of "just like em, but better"

If that's the point you were trying to get across please come with a better song.

Try this, then.....



I know you're an Em stan, but Em only gets a pass due to his ethnicity.

Where's the hook?........:wow:
 
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his flow is ass half the time.
his voice is wack.
he has no soul. no flavor. a lack of rhythm.
shakey mic presence.

need I go on?
The fact you said he has no flow kills the whole thread. Its actually the only thing he has. If his voice/subject matter/mic presence lived up to it he'd be in my top 10
 

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this whole push on here to create a lane for so-so artists like Eminem and others to be at the top is hilarity.

people constantly saying that Eminem is a goat technical rapper are full of chit.

he lacks in so many categories, its laughable.

It's not just here, Interscope has targeted this demographic. They see what it did for Kendrick and they want to move that into the mainstream, that's what the purpose of "Rap God", notice all media outlets already had their press kits? This is an effort to make a platform to launch a prepubescent teenage white kid with ghost written lyrics and a double time flow so they can crossover all markets from Nickelodeon to online music nerds
 

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As been stated, he technically isn't garbage, but it was sumed up best with having no soul. He doesn't have THAT which comes natural to black people...no swag what so ever.

I'd venture to say he didn't grow up hanging with blak people. May have lived round them but he wasn't tight with them.

He sounds like a English professor who raps and is good with words.

Like op says...there's more to hip hop than being good with words...you have to have some soul and swag. Else these spelling b champs could have been conquered hip hop.. and half you nikkas trying to give it to them.

That's why nikkas can't have shyt,it doesn't get stolen, people like those who crown Em the goat GIVES it away!

You can bet them cacs won't give away their shyt! As great as Tiger is, they reluctantly call him the best CURRENTLY! They still hold on to Phil as the GOAT knowing dayum well Tiger would wash him.

Y'all nikkas scusting...
 

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As been stated, he technically isn't garbage, but it was sumed up best with having no soul. He doesn't have THAT which comes natural to black people...no swag what so ever.

I'd venture to say he didn't grow up hanging with blak people. May have lived round them but he wasn't tight with them.

He sounds like a English professor who raps and is good with words.

Like op says...there's more to hip hop than being good with words...you have to have some soul and swag. Else these spelling b champs could have been conquered hip hop.. and half you nikkas trying to give it to them.

That's why nikkas can't have shyt,it doesn't get stolen, people like those who crown Em the goat GIVES it away!

You can bet them cacs won't give away their shyt! As great as Tiger is, they reluctantly call him the best CURRENTLY! They still hold on to Phil as the GOAT knowing dayum well Tiger would wash him.

Y'all nikkas scusting...

fukk out of here with that swag bullshyt !
 

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Try this, then.....



I know you're an Em stan, but Em only gets a pass due to his ethnicity.​


Ain't got shyt to do with me being an anything, has to do with neither of those songs being good example of him riding a beat.

:yeshrug:
 

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That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.​

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As long as I can give you method to my madness i'm fine without trying to push anything off I say as nothing more than my own opinion. You don't gotta agree just let me know if you can follow the logic.
 

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SunZoo said:
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As long as I can give you method to my madness i'm fine without trying to push anything off I say as nothing more than my own opinion. You don't gotta agree just let me know if you can follow the logic.

:salute:

I see you, my dude. I'll never be one to say Em ain't got skills. There's always been something 'missing' with him to me, though.​
 

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those Vakill joints are highlighting what I was saying... nikka raps over beats, not to them... so his flow has nothing to do with him riding a beat even when he's flowin
 

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LOL@Eminem not being technically skilled.

LOL@Eminem having no style.

I'm not even an Eminem fan, but to say he's not technically skilled is asinine.

Niccas who actually rap have a lot of respect for what Em can do...because they understand the science behind it.
 

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The whole idea that eminem is a technical beast has to do with his TECHNIQUE and really more so about the variation in technique from album to album/era to era. All this "soul" shyt is outside of that argument and more so about what you can "feel" or identify with, or even what beats you like.

The only time something as subjective as "soul" really registers to me is when it comes to technical ability is actual song writing, which is indeed something that takes technique. Beanie sigel is great at conveying emotion, pac was the best at it, these are SKILLS, not innate shyt like having a dope voice or just being..black.

Em is great at conveying emotion in his prime, which adds to his overall skillset.

Now as far as "the most technically skilled" blah blah blah... IMO that's really because the people who have to take it THERE are really comparing him to his mainstream competition and not the game in entirety. Em is elite across the board but it's plenty of rappin ass rappers outside of the mainstream that can compare. When you pit him up against mainstream rappers it can look lopsided because he's benefiting from not having as much competition.

Just another reason to give the white boy his props in his own space than try and force some kind of handicapped ranking system to make you feel better about being fan.




I'd strongly disagree. Even during his underground run, I wouldn't say his flow was bad, just that he was more concentrated on lines because that was the aim, it was a particular style that he was running with, not a lack of ability. Look at a song like "underground" where he revisits that "choppy" chino XL'ish style deliberately.

Compare "if I get locked up tonight" to some of his early early shyt where he was really just rapping like a normal rapper, ie shyt like biterphobia or the nas/az influenced shyt..staying on beat wasn't a problem, conforming to a straight up rhyme pattern while trying to be visual and cartoony is.

As he stopped being such a line for line oriented rapper he reverted back riding beats more normally.



His voice is his voice...not a technique, how he plays with his voice however does contribute to his TECHNIQUE being that he's adept and slants and bending words.



This just sounds like "he's not black enough" to me. As I said, to me soul is largely being able to convey emotion, he can do that very well. He couldn't rap as well as he can without rhythm...flavor :laugh:

I mean I know what you are trying to get at but "flavor" is not a technique, that's some intangible variable that you'd have to really reach deep into the opinion pocket to clearly define for a discussion like this.



Not in his prime, in the least. No, and maybe even EARLY in his career? Bizzare's verse is wack but ammityvile is one of those great displays of how to deliver a verse, the second in particular...that's mic presence to me, and his ability to do that didn't really get shaky til after encore.

All in all...his technical prowess for me boils down to variation. Twista is another cat up there on the technical scale but picture how dope he'd be if he went back to that resurrection flow, or even some different shyt besides the double/tripple time. I think he'd be much more fun to listen to, this is one of the reasons i'm a big fan of em.

let me repeat, im not saying that Eminem isn't good technically. hes just nowhere near being one of the best technical rappers. hes very much flawed.

and some of the stuff youre posting and mentioning in this thread is borderline un-listenable.

lol @ soul being subjective. double lol @ you trying to make up your own definition of soul.:laff:

your voice is an instrument.
 

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The fact you said he has no flow kills the whole thread. Its actually the only thing he has. If his voice/subject matter/mic presence lived up to it he'd be in my top 10

he doesn't half the time.

i mean he tries but the chit is trash half the time.

instant example being that 3AM video that somebody just posted.
 

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No offense... but as much as Eminem gets slandered on this board it never translate into the lack of sales. Kinda makes you wonder how so many experts have no effect on real life. Useless opinions.
 
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