Nietzsche on Christianity

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“If the Christian dogmas of a revengeful God, universal sinfulness, election by divine grace and the danger of eternal damnation were true, it would be a sign of weak-mindedness and lack of character not to become a priest, apostle or hermit and, in fear and trembling, to work solely on one's own salvation; it would be senseless to lose sight of one’s eternal advantage for the sake of temporal comfort. If we may assume that these things are at any rate believed true, then the everyday Christian cuts a miserable figure; he is a man who really cannot count to three, and who precisely on account of his spiritual imbecility does not deserve to be punished so harshly as Christianity promises to punish him.”

came across this and thought of HL

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Nietzsche was a boss :blessed:

its too sad how the Nazis pretty much misunderstood him and hijacked him tho
 

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"God is dead" -- Nietzsche.
"Nietzsche is dead" -- God.

That phrase is misunderstood by a lot of people..

"God is dead and we have killed him"

for him to say "God is dead" is to admit Gods "existence" itself at one point in time

lot of Nietzches views were hard on religion & Christianity, not "God" itself. He meant moreso, our traditional religious views on "God" have "killed him".
 

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That phrase is misunderstood by a lot of people..

"God is dead and we have killed him"

for him to say "God is dead" is to admit Gods "existence" itself at one point in time

lot of Nietzches views were hard on religion & Christianity, not "God" itself. He meant moreso, our traditional religious views on "God" have "killed him".

The main assertion was if we have killed God and the objective truth, morality that God embodies what shall we put in its stead. The only other thing found collectively as humans if God is removed from His position is the depravity of humanity. He was also aware of what that would result in. I have quoted him before regarding if we have killed God and all that He embodies what standard then shall we have? He said the 20th century would be the deadliest of them all and he was correct. The 20th century had more deaths than the previous 19 combined.
 

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The main assertion was if we have killed God and the objective truth, morality that God embodies what shall we put in its stead. The only other thing found collectively as humans if God is removed from His position is the depravity of humanity. He was also aware of what that would result in. I have quoted him before regarding if we have killed God and all that He embodies what standard then shall we have? He said the 20th century would be the deadliest of them all and he was correct. The 20th century had more deaths than the previous 19 combined.

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me lol..

i just wanted to point out that many misunderstand that quote as Nietzsche being an atheist, many atheists and those who reject God quote that, but misunderstood what he actually meant.. they were words of a character, they were written by Nietzsche, but he put them in the mouth of a character.. a madman who was seeking God, surrounded by a bunch of atheists.

"Have you ever heard of the madman who on a bright morning lighted a lantern and ran to the market-place calling out unceasingly: "I seek God! I seek God!" As there were many people standing about who did not believe in God, he caused a great deal of amusement. Why? is he lost? said one. Has he strayed away like a child? said another. Or does he keep himself hidden? Is he afraid of us? Has he taken a sea voyage? Has he emigrated? - the people cried out laughingly, all in a hubbub.

The insane man jumped into their midst and transfixed them with his glances. "Where is God gone?" he called out. "I mean to tell you! We have killed him, you and I! We are all his murderers! But how have we done it? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the whole horizon? What did we do when we loosened this earth from its sun? Whither does it now move? Whither do we move? Away from all suns? Do we not dash on unceasingly? Backwards, sideways, forwards, in all directions? Is there still an above and below? Do we not stray, as through infinite nothingness? Does not empty space breathe upon us? Has it not become colder? Does not night come on continually, darker and darker? Shall we not have to light lanterns in the morning? Do we not hear the noise of the grave-diggers who are burying God? Do we not smell the divine putrefaction? - for even Gods putrify! God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him!

How shall we console ourselves, the most murderous of all murderers? The holiest and the mightiest that the world has hitherto possessed, has bled to death under our knife - who will wipe the blood from us? With what water could we cleanse ourselves? What lustrums, what sacred games shall we have to devise? Is not the magnitude of this deed too great for us? Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it? There never was a greater event - and on account of it, all who are born after us belong to a higher history than any history hitherto!" Here the madman was silent and looked again at his hearers; they also were silent and looked at him in surprise.

At last he threw his lantern on the ground, so that it broke in pieces and was extinguished. "I come too early," he then said. "I am not yet at the right time. This prodigious event is still on its way, and is traveling - it has not yet reached men's ears. Lightning and thunder need time, the light of the stars needs time, deeds need time, even after they are done, to be seen and heard. This deed is as yet further from them than the furthest star - and yet they have done it themselves!" It is further stated that the madman made his way into different churches on the same day, and there intoned his Requiem aeternam deo. When led out and called to account, he always gave the reply: "What are these churches now, if they are not the tombs and monuments of God?"
 
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Not sure if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me lol..

i just wanted to point out that many misunderstand that quote as Nietzsche being an atheist, many atheists and those who reject God quote that, but misunderstood what he actually meant..

as quoted from "The Gay Science"

"Have you ever heard of the madman who on a bright morning lighted a lantern and ran to the market-place calling out unceasingly: "I seek God! I seek God!" As there were many people standing about who did not believe in God, he caused a great deal of amusement. Why? is he lost? said one. Has he strayed away like a child? said another. Or does he keep himself hidden? Is he afraid of us? Has he taken a sea voyage? Has he emigrated? - the people cried out laughingly, all in a hubbub.

The insane man jumped into their midst and transfixed them with his glances. "Where is God gone?" he called out. "I mean to tell you! We have killed him, you and I! We are all his murderers! But how have we done it? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the whole horizon? What did we do when we loosened this earth from its sun? Whither does it now move? Whither do we move? Away from all suns? Do we not dash on unceasingly? Backwards, sideways, forwards, in all directions? Is there still an above and below? Do we not stray, as through infinite nothingness? Does not empty space breathe upon us? Has it not become colder? Does not night come on continually, darker and darker? Shall we not have to light lanterns in the morning? Do we not hear the noise of the grave-diggers who are burying God? Do we not smell the divine putrefaction? - for even Gods putrify! God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him!

How shall we console ourselves, the most murderous of all murderers? The holiest and the mightiest that the world has hitherto possessed, has bled to death under our knife - who will wipe the blood from us? With what water could we cleanse ourselves? What lustrums, what sacred games shall we have to devise? Is not the magnitude of this deed too great for us? Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it? There never was a greater event - and on account of it, all who are born after us belong to a higher history than any history hitherto!" Here the madman was silent and looked again at his hearers; they also were silent and looked at him in surprise.

At last he threw his lantern on the ground, so that it broke in pieces and was extinguished. "I come too early," he then said. "I am not yet at the right time. This prodigious event is still on its way, and is traveling - it has not yet reached men's ears. Lightning and thunder need time, the light of the stars needs time, deeds need time, even after they are done, to be seen and heard. This deed is as yet further from them than the furthest star - and yet they have done it themselves!" It is further stated that the madman made his way into different churches on the same day, and there intoned his Requiem aeternam deo. When led out and called to account, he always gave the reply: "What are these churches now, if they are not the tombs and monuments of God?"

By his description of the magnitude of what would have to be on equal level to equate to the killing of God is incredible. Drinking up the sea.....Wiping away the horizon......Loosened the earth from the sun... These feats are beyond our power in any way, shape or form. The end game for him was to understand the difference between objective morality and subjective morality. Most people don't know but he spent the last years of his life in an asylum. He rarely spoke during those times but when he did he would only quote Bible verses.
 

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:camby:he is one of the most influential philosophers of all time

yea and so what? being wack and influential arent mutually exclusive :camby:

biebers wack, hes influential. many politicians have been wack and they have been influential. nazi rhetoric and philosophy was wack but they were influential. my opinion is that he was wack and shouldnt be idolized but thats just my opinion and i dont claim he wasnt influential.

argue the actual philosophy and logic behind it or :camby:
 
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