nimrod and the pagan religion. cant celebrate christmas anymore?

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

so you've been proven wrong on several instances here

No, I haven't.​

u said the greeks and Hebrews didn have the same letters, they did.

Not in the 1st Century CE. Their alphabets/languages diverged by the 8th Century BCE.​

your point was they couldn make the same sounds as Hebrews, but they could, either way it doesn't validate changing the name and religion of the Messiah.

They couldn't make the same sounds since they were two different languages using two different alphabets. The name wasn't changed since it is translated into the same meaning. You are incorrect.​

You also said no other deities were worshipped on dec 25, but theyre are and were, dating back to Maschiach's time and before, by romans and greeks and Persians (many many others as well, so much so that it doesn need to be stated). Where are you getting your info from?

No, there are NO attestations of any 'deities' being celebrated on December 25th prior to Jesus. There are a few after, though. Mithras is one of them.​

It seems that you are a proponent of the bible, but then discredit its verisimilitude by stating 'it makes literary sense' as if the bible is the same as sense and sensibility.

well sense and sensibility, in practice, is necessary at this point.

I'm not 'discrediting it's verisimilitude'. I only deal with history and what can be reasonably obtained and understood with evidence in the form of documentation and archaeology. There is NO documentation from primary sources regarding Mithra that pre-dates Jesus.
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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

the bible is NOT literature.

That's all it is to me.
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The purpose is the key factor. This is your issue here.

Nah, that's YOUR issue, not mine. It just makes for interesting reading.​

Fix that and then you will get a basic understanding of what is going on in the world. People say the bible is literature to discredit it as imaginative, as you've done here by mistakenly equating ezekiels wheel to myth. Paganism is a thought system, which takes true worship, and slightly shifts it, in order to later dismantle it, which is what Christianity is.

All ideologies start somewhere and there is nothing for me to 'fix'. I have a pretty good understanding of what is going on in the world just by living and experiencing life. I equated Ezekiel's Wheel to a chariot, not a myth. ALL religions are 'thought systems'. I say the Bible is literature because it's an anthology.​

 

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Yall know Nimrod was black right?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

If it's 'common knowledge', then why is there no proof until 900 years AFTER the Pentateuch was written?

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For some reason I get no alerts when you quote me.

No proof of what? The religion of the Jews changed extensively during their period in exile, when they came into contact with other belief systems, that was my point. Torah was written in 400 bc, Zoroastrianism dates to like at least 600 bc by conservative estimates but some speculate it may be even older since the avestan language of it's holy book is similar to the Sanskrit of the rigveda which has been dated to 1500 bc.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

For some reason I get no alerts when you quote me.

No proof of what? The religion of the Jews changed extensively during their period in exile, when they came into contact with other belief systems, that was my point. Torah was written in 400 bc, Zoroastrianism dates to like at least 600 bc by conservative estimates but some speculate it may be even older since the avestan language of it's holy book is similar to the Sanskrit of the rigveda which has been dated to 1500 bc.

Pentateuch was written in ~1400 BCE, this is proven by 1 Kings detailing the construction of the First Temple which was completed in the 10th Century BCE and working back from that point.

If 1 Kings were written in the 4th Century (or later), the level of detail regarding the Temple would have been severely lacking since there was a lapse of 600 years and the Temple had been destroyed 300 years earlier.

It was RE-written in the 6th Century when the Hebrews were in exile in Babylon.

They had ALWAYS been in contact with other belief systems since the entire OT is a critique of them.​

 

[Chez Lopez]

what a waste of time. when people are wrong and pretend they are not, its like talking to a brick wall, especially when their only point is to argue.

Anyone with a point and a purpose will see Christianity is pagan, from the core.

Jesus is the name of a devil.

Christmas is how that devil celebrates, and has always done so.

those who are smart will already know what's up, those who are not will continue to argue with falsehoods, inconsistencies and no point.

worship and walk how the REAL Messiah, Yahusha, walked.

Follow the commandments, discard all pagan holidays. Start celebrating Passover, the feast of weeks, the day of atonement and the feast of booths.

wear your tzit tzits

stop eating pork.

worship on Saturday and don do any work on this day.

This is how worshippers show their faith to Messiah, by obedience.

All told.

 

[Perfectson]

Most Christians are dumb as hell. Jesus already told Christians to keep the feast of Passover in his name, not this pagan bullshyt

Jesus never said to keep any feast in his name - in fact he told his followers to worship his and our father G*d

he also said sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath -

 

[Perfectson]

you do know that's an artist rendition and not what the Tower would have actually looked like right?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Anyone with a point and a purpose will see Christianity is pagan, from the core.

Well, you've yet to prove that aside from citing some dubious assertions from a debunked conspiracy theory over 150 years old......​

How, then, did the Romish Church fix on December the 25th as Christmas-day? Why, thus: Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of the year, in honour of the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ.
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That Christmas was originally a Pagan festival, is beyond all doubt. The time of the year, and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin. In Egypt, the son of Isis, the Egyptian title for the queen of heaven, was born at this very time, "about the time of the winter solstice." The very name by which Christmas is popularly known among ourselves-- Yule-day --proves at once its Pagan and Babylonian origin. "Yule" is the Chaldee name for an "infant" or "little child"; * and as the 25th of December was called by our Pagan Anglo-Saxon ancestors, "Yuleday," or the "Child's day," and the night that preceded it, "Mother-night," long before they came in contact with Christianity, that sufficiently proves its real character.

~The Two Babylons, pg. 86-87

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[GetInTheTruck]

Pentateuch was written in ~1400 BCE, this is proven by 1 Kings detailing the construction of the First Temple which was completed in the 10th Century BCE and working back from that point.

If 1 Kings were written in the 4th Century (or later), the level of detail regarding the Temple would have been severely lacking since there was a lapse of 600 years and the Temple had been destroyed 300 years earlier.

It was RE-written in the 6th Century when the Hebrews were in exile in Babylon.

They had ALWAYS been in contact with other belief systems since the entire OT is a critique of them.

Hebraic texts precede Zoroastrian texts by 900 years since Zoroaster lived anywhere from between 1700 BCE to 500 BCE.​

This is the religious Jewish/Christian view, not the scholarly view. The scholarly view is that the present day Torah was compiled over a period of time, by different authors with varying content, and wasn't standardized into what we have now until the 6th century bc. The early Israelites most likely practiced some form of henotheism before captivity where their theology switches to monotheism and the concept of angels, demons, heaven/hell emerge. It sounds like you're trying to front like you are un-biased here when you really aren't.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

This is the religious Jewish/Christian view, not the scholarly view.

No, that IS the 'scholarly' view according to Julius Wellhausen, the originator of the J-E-D-P Hypothesis.......

The view ALL (critical) OT scholars base their work on now. Just so you understand, this view has been challenged by fundamentalists who posit that Moses was the author of the Pentateuch (not my view) instead of the books being compiled/redacted/edited using older sources dating back prior to the establishment of the Kingdoms of Judah & Israel (my view).

Other non-fundamentalist scholars use archeology to support the view that the text is older such as William F. Albright and Yehezquel Kaufman. The discovery of Ugarit further established support for a more ancient origin since many words that only appear once in the OT (hapax legomenon) have parallels in Ugaritic. The city was destroyed in the early 12th Century BCE.

As far as 'bias', that is on the part of those who wish to discredit the texts for philosophical reasons that don't apply to me. As I stated before, the Hebrews had constant contact with others so their worldview was shared by all in the region. To say what they 'most likely practiced' is mostly speculation due to 18th Century theologians' insistence on providing an 'evolutionary' explanation which viewed monotheism as an advance over older belief systems, rather than a 'revolutionary' explanation based on a rejection of those old systems as untenable and critically flawed.

This is all besides the point, though, and derailing the thread. Matter of fact, I'm not even sure why this thread was created other than to prove OP's ignorance.

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[Chez Lopez]

lol, bump

 

[Dave24]

what a waste of time. when people are wrong and pretend they are not, its like talking to a brick wall, especially when their only point is to argue.

Anyone with a point and a purpose will see Christianity is pagan, from the core.

Jesus is the name of a devil.

Christmas is how that devil celebrates, and has always done so.

those who are smart will already know what's up, those who are not will continue to argue with falsehoods, inconsistencies and no point.

worship and walk how the REAL Messiah, Yahusha, walked.

Follow the commandments, discard all pagan holidays. Start celebrating Passover, the feast of weeks, the day of atonement and the feast of booths.

wear your tzit tzits

stop eating pork.

worship on Saturday and don do any work on this day.

This is how worshippers show their faith to Messiah, by obedience.

All told.

Is the king james bible very inaccurate?

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Jesus never said to keep any feast in his name -

The last supper is the passover. It was Christ’s last passover.
Luke 22:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me

So when you keep the yearly passover and eat unleavened bread and drink wine, you are remember Christ dying for all the sins of Israel.

 

[Black Panther]

Is the king james bible very inaccurate?

It has several translation errors, is hard to read, and actually based on later manuscripts than the modern translations we have today. That being said, the New King James Version is still one of my favorite translations (easier to read).

If by accuracy you mean accurately describing the events of the Bible, it doesn't leave anything out. Translation errors aren't the same as outright omissions or changes.

I actually hate that people start speaking King James English when they claim to "hear from the Lord". Like c'mon, God only speaks KJ old English?