No indictment for cop who killed Eric Garner

[Jutt]

What fox thinks... make sure you listen to :40-:50

at this dude talking about seatbelt grip. with that bullshyt. Even IF he used that to bring him down, and not go for his windpipe, that still excuses him holding on to the choke while on the ground. Which it looks like he's trying a rear naked choke(terribly)

A seat belt grip is over one shoulder and the other hand clasps coming from underneath the opposite arm pit area.

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I'm my own source-Blue Belt BJJ

 

[Stez]

This video is fukking powerful. This woman struck a chord with me. She accepts no apology. More power to her. I respect this so much.

 

[88m3]

There is a second Eric Garner video. It may be more disturbing than the first.




By Emily Badger December 5 at 4:52 PM





There is a second Eric Garner video. It shows not the now-infamous scene that ultimately led to his death — the confrontation with New York Police Department officers, one grabbing Garner around his neck, Garner's body thrown to the ground — but the aftermath. For seven minutes, a disgusted bystander continues to film as Garner lies, unmoving, on the sidewalk, police officers involved in the incident milling around him.

The video was originally posted on Facebook over the summer but has received renewed attention after a grand jury decided not to indict an officer involved the altercation. As Harry Siegel at the New York Daily News points out, this video is almost more disturbing — or disturbing in a way that says something slightly different about Garner and the officers in question. About Garner: If he appears in the first video as the subject of police aggression, here he barely seems to warrant their attention at all. About the officers: They betray no sense of urgency or concern as they wait for first responders. It's as if the event were almost banal.

The moment is much shorter than the four-and-a-half hours Michael Brown's body lay in the street after his death. But it says something similar, that the way we treat a body reflects how we value the life:


Emily Badger is a reporter for Wonkblog covering urban policy. She was previously a staff writer at The Atlantic Cities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-be-more-disturbing-than-the-first/?tid=sm_fb

 

[Starman]

This isnt threadworthy, so Ill just say it here. Garners widow was just on Meet the Press talking about how much of a lazy career criminal her husband was. She also said this wasnt a race issue. And Al Sharpton is sitting less than a foot away from her. Yo, Al you should have prepped her for tv...or kicked her in the shin.

 

[ill]

Even white people think this killing was fukked up

True story. From the jump I thought Gardner was a clear case of police abuse and brutality and felt the cop would be charged and sentenced. I didn't feel the same about Ferguson.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

True story. From the jump I thought Gardner was a clear case of police abuse and brutality and felt the cop would be charged and sentenced. I didn't feel the same about Ferguson.

as john stewart said, there is no ambiguity here like there was in ferguson, there is no denying this incident, people cannot rationalize this in any way, its clear cut.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

as john stewart said, there is no ambiguity here like there was in ferguson, there is no denying this incident, people cannot rationalize this in any way, its clear cut.

true but you wanna know what else is clear cut? that he was resisting arrest.

i mean the whole thing is fukkin tragic from top to bottom. why are cops bothering this random dude sellin loose cigarettes on the corner? i dunno, probably stats or some other dumb bullshyt. god knows there must surely be something more productive these officers can be doing... but alas that is our system. fukked up it may be.

please do not think i am trying to take sides here, like i said this is tragic any way you look at it. a man died that did not have to, point blank. but maybe, just maybe... if he had been a little more cooperative he might still be alive. as for the cop? i do not believe he intended to murder him, but at the same time i believe the argument can be made that he acted way, WAY too aggressively.

the question is would the outcome have been different if eric garner had white skin instead... and i don't think anyone could possibly know for sure 100%. i don't know if me saying that will piss anyone off, but that's just how i feel. you just don't know.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

true but you wanna know what else is clear cut? that he was resisting arrest.

i mean the whole thing is fukkin tragic from top to bottom. why are cops bothering this random dude sellin loose cigarettes on the corner? i dunno, probably stats or some other dumb bullshyt. god knows there must surely be something more productive these officers can be doing... but alas that is our system. fukked up it may be.

please do not think i am trying to take sides here, like i said this is tragic any way you look at it. a man died that did not have to, point blank. but maybe, just maybe... if he had been a little more cooperative with he might still be alive. as for the cop? i do not believe he intended to murder him, but at the same time i believe the argument can be made that he acted way, WAY too aggressively.

the question is would the outcome have been different if eric garner had white skin instead... and i don't think anyone could possibly know for sure 100%. i don't know if me saying that will piss anyone off, but that's just how i feel. you just don't know.

i realize a lot of people dislike adam carolla but i really enjoy his podcast and he was talking the other day about how you can't give them ANY reason to use force against you, you literally have to become a docile pussified bytch who follows every whim of the officer when they take control of a situation, most of them are meatheads looking to use some force and add some excitement to their day. If you give them ANY reason to fukk you up they will. It's not the way it should be, but if you want to ensure to the best of your ability that you won't be seriously harmed its what you have to do.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

i realize a lot of people dislike adam carolla but i really enjoy his podcast and he was talking the other day about how you can't give them ANY reason to use force against you, you literally have to become a docile pussified bytch who follows every whim of the officer when they take control of a situation, most of them are meatheads looking to use some force and add some excitement to their day. If you give them ANY reason to fukk you up they will. It's not the way it should be, but if you want to ensure to the best of your ability that you won't be seriously harmed its what you have to do.

absolutely. a lot of these cops, not all of them, but many of them... really are meatheads looking for an excuse. i agree with that. and i also don't doubt that a lot of them are closet racists. not in like a "i can't wait to kill me some n-----rs kinda way"... but i'm sure being black doesn't help.

i am white. i cannot pretend i know what the black perspective is truly like. but at the same time i would like to think that black or white... if you're ever PHYSICALLY HARMED by a police officer while on duty, then perhaps you might not have been the model citizen in the first place. perhaps you played a role in getting your ass beat just a little.

did these 2 young men deserve to die? of course not, no one deserves to die. but at the same time i cannot believe how many people championing that side of the argument can be so blind to the fact that they were not model citizens in the first place. i mean these are the dudes you wanna go to war for? really? i mean okay eric garner maybe cause his criminal history appears petty (i don't really care about drugs).... but come on from the looks of it mike brown was the furthest thing away from an angel as there could possibly be. again did he deserve to die? of course not. but at the same time i'm sure there are plenty of black men out there who if put in that same position would still be alive.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

absolutely. a lot of these cops, not all of them, but many of them... really are meatheads looking for an excuse. i agree with that. and i also don't doubt that a lot of them are closet racists. not in like a "i can't wait to kill me some n-----rs kinda way"... but i'm sure being black doesn't help.

i am white. i cannot pretend i know what the black perspective is truly like. but at the same time i would like to think that black or white... if you're ever PHYSICALLY HARMED by a police officer while on duty, then perhaps you might not have been the model citizen in the first place. perhaps you played a role in getting your ass beat just a little.

did these 2 young men deserve to die? of course not, no one deserves to die. but at the same time i cannot believe how many people championing that side of the argument can be so blind to the fact that they were not model citizens in the first place. i mean these are the dudes you wanna go to war for? really? i mean okay eric garner maybe cause his criminal history appears petty (i don't really care about drugs).... but come on from the looks of it mike brown was the furthest thing away from an angel as there could possibly be. again did he deserve to die? of course not. but at the same time i'm sure there are plenty of black men out there who if put in that same position would still be alive.

there are a lot of people who aren't model citizens and end up becoming very good people. people can change, and it's not just about these two men, this has been going on for years, decades of police abuse, I'm glad people are protesting and bringing this shyt to light. It was just easier to hide these things in the past.

I'm not gonna say they played a role in what happened to them because I don't know what the fukk happened exactly. but what I am saying is that if you want to reduce your risk of getting your ass beat or dying you literally have to comply 100%, and just lay down and take the dikk in your ass. I've seen my black friends be profiled and harassed by the police for no reason. It's not just that they're closeted racists, it's an "us vs them" mentality police have developed, and a lot of cac's are fearful of blacks because they haven't interacted with a lot of black folks and are ignorant/bigoted towards them to think they're all bad and out to get the police

darren wilson said he was in "enemy territory" and that the area hated police... the area he is supposed to protect and serve he considers "enemy territory" think about that for a sec

a lot of these dudes shouldn't be cops, they don't have the mental fortitude or restraint to be. they're not held accountable for their actions at all and thats the most fukked up part. the police deserve everything they have coming to them

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

darren wilson said he was in "enemy territory" and that the area hated police... the area he is supposed to protect and serve he considers "enemy territory" think about that for a sec

a lot of these dudes shouldn't be cops, they don't have the mental fortitude or restraint to be. they're not held accountable for their actions at all and thats the most fukked up part. the police deserve everything they have coming to them

wouldn't you?

would you wanna be a cop having to patrol these neighborhoods? knowing full well half of them wouldn't even have the decency to piss on you if you were on fire?

the cops are there to protect and serve civilians, not criminals.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

wouldn't you?

would you wanna be a cop having to patrol these neighborhoods? knowing full well half of them wouldn't even have the decency to piss on you if you were on fire?

the cops are there to protect and serve civilians, not criminals.

They know what they're signing up for. No one is forcing them to become a police officer in ferguson

how about they hire officers directly from the community, not a 95% white police force for a majority black city

oh yeah, they're supposed to serve and protect civilians, like who? this hard working blue collar welder that they beat to a bloody pulp then charged him with bleeding on police uniforms?

http://rt.com/usa/180680-ferguson-henry-davis-blood/

Davis, Daly recalled, was arrested on September 20, 2009 when a Ferguson cop mistook him for a man with the same first and last name wanted on an outstanding warrant. Davis was brought to the Police Department headquarters and told to spend the night in the same one-bed cell occupied by another individual. When he objected and asked for a sleeping mat of his own, his attorneys wrote, the officers got violent.

Officer John Beaird, the complaint reads, “called other officers to the area outside the cell and told the other officers that Plaintiff was being belligerent and failing to comply with his orders.” Five cops were soon in the area and, according to the suit, Officer Michael White charged Davis, grabbed him and then slammed him into a wall.

“A female police officer got on Plaintiff’s back and handcuffed Plaintiff with Plaintiff’s arms behind his back and lying on his stomach,” the complaint continues. “Just before Plaintiff was picked up to his feet, Defendant White rushed in the cell a second time and kicked Plaintiff in the head while Plaintiff was lying on the floor and handcuffed with his arms behind his back.”

“He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis recalled, according to The Daily Beast. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.”

The detainee didn’t get help there, however, because he refused treatment unless the hospital staff would first photograph his injuries.

“I wanted a witness and proof of what they done to me,” Davis said, according to the website.

Instead, he was taken back to the jail, where he remained for several days until he could post $1,500 bond related to four counts of “property damage.” In a signed complaint, Daly wrote, Officer Beaird said David bled on his own uniform and those of three others officers.

innocent til proven guilty, you can't just label michael brown a criminal. this has been going on a long time like i said..

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

They know what they're signing up for. No one is forcing them to become a police officer in ferguson

how about they hire officers directly from the community, not a 95% white police force for a majority black city

so you believe that if a the police force patrolling these neighborhoods were black, things would be any different? what, the cops and the drug dealers would all hold hands and sing kumbaya?

if officer wilson were black, how do you think it might have played different.

innocent til proven guilty, you can't just label michael brown a criminal. this has been going on a long time like i said..

michael brown was a criminal though, with a criminal record. there was video footage of him robbing a store the same day of his death. not comparing him to charles manson, but again... he was not a model citizen. i will leave it at that. we all know people like that... the type that if one day out of the blue you heard he got into some deep shyt... you wouldn't be surprised.

and innocent until proven guilty works both ways doesn't it? isn't officer wilson also innocent of being racially motivated until proven otherwise?

again i am just playing devil's advocate. i am just trying to illustrate that it is not as black and white and some would like to believe.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

so you believe that if a the police force patrolling these neighborhoods were black, things would be any different? what, the cops and the drug dealers would all hold hands and sing kumbaya?

if officer wilson were black, how do you think it might have played different.



michael brown was a criminal though, with a criminal record. there was video footage of him robbing a store the same day of his death. not comparing him to charles manson, but again... he was not a model citizen. i will leave it at that. we all know people like that... the type that if one day out of the blue you heard he got into some deep shyt... you wouldn't be surprised.

and innocent until proven guilty works both ways doesn't it? isn't officer wilson also innocent of being racially motivated until proven otherwise?

again i am just playing devil's advocate. i am just trying to illustrate that it is not as black and white and some would like to believe.

no, if police patrolling the neighborhoods were actually from the neighborhoods they'd have a vested interest to protect/help the community instead of just being in a perpetual state of fear and paranoia ready to use excessive force, the police are responsible for building a level of trust with the community they serve, which is why darren wilson was a p*ssy bytch and felt he was in "enemy territory". We give these pigs a license to kill and they have little-to-no training.

i agree its not as simple as some people make it out to be, but again, it isn't just about these two incidents, these are just the two incidents that made the pot boil over....the pot has been boiling and brewing for a long long time.

i'm not even saying it was racially motivated, thats not really possible to determine, Wilson was already in a fearful and heightened emotional state just based on the preconceived notions about the community he is supposed to serve and protect

if police were held liable and prosecuted for their abuses of power like the story I linked you, the community wouldn't be distrustful and angry towards police in the first place. if they were truly a benevolent and helpful force the community wouldn't hate them...

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

no, if police patrolling the neighborhoods were actually from the neighborhoods they'd have a vested interest to protect/help the community instead of just being in a perpetual state of fear and paranoia ready to use excessive force, the police are responsible for building a level of trust with the community they serve, which is why darren wilson was a p*ssy bytch and felt he was in "enemy territory". We give these pigs a license to kill and they have little-to-no training.

i agree its not as simple as some people make it out to be, but again, it isn't just about these two incidents, these are just the two incidents that made the pot boil over....the pot has been boiling and brewing for a long long time.

i'm not even saying it was racially motivated, thats not really possible to determine, Wilson was already in a fearful and heightened emotional state just based on the preconceived notions about the community he is supposed to serve and protect

if police were held liable and prosecuted for their abuses of power like the story I linked you, the community wouldn't be distrustful and angry towards police in the first place. if they were truly a benevolent and helpful force the community wouldn't hate them...

well even though we may be on opposing sides of the argument, i would at least like to commend you for allowing for the possibility that it wasn't racially motivated. try convincing everyone else that though.

and second, yes you are right. it is a fukked system. but i believe if the police were forced to designate black officers to black areas, it's very possible those same black officers would play the racism card as well. i mean why should a black officer who grew up in a crime ridden area be forced to patrol those same streets? cause he's black? meanwhile other officers get to play it safe in the suburbs? i dunno, again it's a slippery slope. i would imagine very few officers WANT to work in these neighborhoods but the job is the job.

but yes the relationship between cops and civilians, especially in those areas, has been damaged.





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