No indictment for cop who killed Eric Garner

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

well even though we may be on opposing sides of the argument, i would at least like to commend you for allowing for the possibility that it wasn't racially motivated. try convincing everyone else that though.

and second, yes you are right. it is a fukked system. but i believe if the police were forced to designate black officers to black areas, it's very possible those same black officers would play the racism card as well. i mean why should a black officer who grew up in a crime ridden area be forced to patrol those same streets? cause he's black? meanwhile other officers get to play it safe in the suburbs? i dunno, again it's a slippery slope. i would imagine very few officers WANT to work in these neighborhoods but the job is the job.

but yes the relationship between cops and civilians, especially in those areas, has been damaged.





this world needs more bunny colvin's.

it's important to note that there are huge varying degrees of "racism" and bigotry. I know people who have one black friend but also think (mainly due to media influence) that most blacks are criminals/thugs/etc

when you're a cop you see the worst of the worst, you have to deal with a$$holes all day, and if you're prejudiced on top of that? well you got a powderkeg of emotions right there, add a deadly weapon into that equation and the outcome isn't good.

its a tough fukking job, most people aren't built for that shyt, being a police officer should be a respected, revered position. Due to the drug war it has completely shattered many police-community relationships. I want the police force to be representative of the community in terms of racial makeup. It makes NO sense that a police force is 95% white people for a majority black community. It's much easier to be fearful of a community/people you aren't familiar with which leads to a lot of these deadly outcomes.

Imagine if they could stop locking people up for non-violent drug crimes and start focusing on real shyt and making a difference in the community

this shyt will never be fixed until the drug war is over and police are held accountable, the relationship is SHATTERED with the community

 

[JahFocus CS]

When would you say the Drug War started, if you're tracing the source of poor police-community relations to that? Because poor police-community relations precedes the start of the Drug War by decades, if not a century or so.

The real issue is the institution itself... its primary purpose is not to fight crime, but to protect capitalist property. Working-class communities and communities of Color have always been the most heavily policed. If you trace the institution's development in the U.S., it goes back to slave patrols... and that's way before the start of any "drug war."

 

[Insensitive]

Even if the institutional issues aren't new.
The drug prohibition is an issue born out of that and
it needs to be under equal examination.

 

[mc_brew]

i would at least like to commend you for allowing for the possibility that it wasn't racially motivated. try convincing everyone else that though.

first of all, i want to say i respect the tone you took in this thread... i think a lot more understanding and bridge building can happen when people talk to each other and not at each other... that being said, i do have a question... why is it that white people try so hard to deny any racial implication in anything? we've got cats live clive bundy that say things like:

I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.

i never learned how to pick cotton either and i'm not in jail or on government subsidy... i wonder would he say that about white people on welfare and in and out of the criminal justice system... yet, he shows up in a video with some black guy running for congressman in nevada talking about he's no racist...

white people say stupid things like this and even worse every day then turn around and give you a doe in the headlight look when you call them on it... it's obvious that not every white person is a bigot, but far too many are... why don't they just own up to it? why do they try so hard to make us seem like we're just making it up....

yes, the likes of al sharpton and jesse jackson may make it harder for america to get over race... i say it's equally as hard when every white person bends over backwards to try to pretend they've never seen or heard a white person do or say anything racist... just look at the comments on any news article with a black suspect....

tldr: why do so many white people try to pretend there are no white racists....?

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

first of all, i want to say i respect the tone you took in this thread... i think a lot more understanding and bridge building can happen when people talk to each other and not at each other... that being said, i do have a question... why is it that white people try so hard to deny any racial implication in anything? we've got cats live clive bundy that say things like:

i never learned how to pick cotton either and i'm not in jail or on government subsidy... i wonder would he say that about white people on welfare and in and out of the criminal justice system... yet, he shows up in a video with some black guy running for congressman in nevada talking about he's no racist...

white people say stupid things like this and even worse every day then turn around and give you a doe in the headlight look when you call them on it... it's obvious that not every white person is a bigot, but far too many are... why don't they just own up to it? why do they try so hard to make us seem like we're just making it up....

yes, the likes of al sharpton and jesse jackson may make it harder for america to get over race... i say it's equally as hard when every white person bends over backwards to try to pretend they've never seen or heard a white person do or say anything racist... just look at the comments on any news article with a black suspect....

tldr: why do so many white people try to pretend there are no white racists....?

Listen I know what you mean I see it on my FB feed all the time and it embarrasses the hell of out of me. There's just a lot of ignorant people out there. They believe what they want to believe because it makes them comfortable.

But I suspect the reason certain white people pretend certain things are never a racial issue is the same reason why certain black people pretend EVERYTHING is a racial issue... again, ignorance. It exists on both sides.

 

[Yapdatfool]

But I suspect the reason certain white people pretend certain things are never a racial issue is the same reason why certain black people pretend EVERYTHING is a racial issue... again, ignorance. It exists on both sides.

Whites and non whites talking race is like oil and water, we ain’t coming to an agreement any time soon. The sooner we realize this the better off we'll be.

I still feel all you've and plenty others done since you posted in the thread is a lot of victim blaming and deflecting. Calling MB an criminal, saying Eric was resisting arrest, all statements to justify your tone of 'well they weren't perfect victims so they're to blame as well'. Well I got news for you, no one's perfect. That's doesn't excuse the wrong done to them and that it needs to stop, no matter what it takes.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Whites and non whites talking race is like oil and water, we ain’t coming to an agreement any time soon. The sooner we realize this the better off we'll be.

I still feel all you've and plenty others done since you posted in the thread is a lot of victim blaming and deflecting. Calling MB an criminal, saying Eric was resisting arrest, all statements to justify your tone of 'well they weren't perfect victims so they're to blame as well'. Well I got news for you, no one's perfect. That's doesn't excuse the wrong done to them and that it needs to stop, no matter what it takes.

are you still prepared to say this was SOLELY about race? are you prepared to argue that the ONLY reason these men died was because of the color of their skin?

 

[Yapdatfool]

are you still prepared to say this was SOLELY about race? are you prepared to argue that the ONLY reason these men died was because of the color of their skin?

If that increases police accountability and whistle-blowing that results in more transparency, yes I am. That's what 'no matter what it takes' means.
If that doesn't work, so be it.

But for ME I am willing to while citing how these same officers treat white perps with similar circumstances. You can site the opposite and we can be at this forever.
Given your from NYC, perhaps you have more insight into things than I will, so your opinion will hold a little more weight than mines, I'll give you that much.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

If that increases police accountability and whistle-blowing that results in more transparency, yes I am. That's what 'no matter what it takes' means.
If that doesn't work, so be it.

But for ME I am willing to while citing how these same officers treat white perps with similar circumstances. You can site the opposite and we can be at this forever.
Given your from NYC, perhaps you have more insight into things than I will, so your opinion will hold a little more weight than mines, I'll give you that much.

it don't even have to be about that. i KNOW there are racist cops out there. but shyt man you ever watch an episode of COPS? white people get it on there just as bad. plenty of times you'll see them bothering some poor dude for noreason. i'm sure race plays an issue at times, but inequality doesn't always have to be about race.

and of course i do not believe all the blame lies with mike brown, but shyt A LOT of it does. and for these people to riot and protest in the name of this man... i cannot help but feel they are being willfully ignorant to some the FACTS.

you talk about getting it done "no matter what it takes"... but shyt don't you think these people need to pick their battles better? do you think people on the other side of the fence are going to have sympathy for MIKE BROWN?? again is THIS the man these people are prepared to go to war for? knowing full well he played a vital role, however minor or major, in his own demise?

had mike brown been shot by a black officer instead, would there still be a riot? better yet if mike brown had been shot PERIOD by just another black man on the street, would there still be a riot? if not then WHAT is the underlying motivation for this outrage? again if it is racism you are basically implying that mike brown died because he was black... and i'm sorry that is BS to me.

 

[Yapdatfool]

it don't even have to be about that. i KNOW there are racist cops out there. but shyt man you ever watch an episode of COPS? white people get it on there just as bad. plenty of times you'll see them bothering some poor dude for noreason. i'm sure race plays an issue at times, but inequality doesn't always have to be about race.

Very true. It can be about gender, sexual preference, education, location, finances. Three of those things can be changed, the last three (race, gender, sexual preference) cannot. If white people 'get it just as bad' wouldn’t something have fixed it by now? How many 'insert unarmed white person here' need to die before change will come? It's a lot easier to get a social or policy change done by attaching someone people can relate to to it than some 'perfect' person.

and of course i do not believe all the blame lies with mike brown, but shyt A LOT of it does. and for these people to riot and protest in the name of this man... i cannot help but feel they are being willfully ignorant to some the FACTS.

you talk about getting it done "no matter what it takes"... but shyt don't you think these people need to pick their battles better? do you think people on the other side of the fence are going to have sympathy for MIKE BROWN?? again is THIS the man these people are prepared to go to war for? knowing full well he played a vital role, however minor or major, in his own demise?

Again, since no one can be perfect its irrelevant who the catalyst is. Study history and you'll realize this. Social changes involve a lot of shady, shifty individuals on both sides, doesn't mean nothing should have changed.
Just means one side won and the other side lost. The creation of unions was very violent, full of killing, riots and destruction of property. Even woman's suffrage wasn't all peace and love.

had mike brown been shot by a black officer instead, would there still be a riot? better yet if mike brown had been shot PERIOD by just another black man on the street, would there still be a riot? if not then WHAT is the underlying motivation for this outrage? again if it is racism you are basically implying that mike brown died because he was black... and i'm sorry that is BS to me.

Who's to say? Hindsight's always 20/20.

All this coulda shoulda woulda doesn't change what actually happened.

I'm not implying any reasons why he died, i'm saying he's dead and now is a good a time as any for change because of it. If I gotta say he was treated the way he was cause he was black for you to pay attention, then the truth doesn't matter. What matters is prevention and possible change.

Riots happen, doesn't make them right, it just beings attention to what the causes are.
BUT in 2014, all they do is serve as a reason NOT to change or do anything. To say exactly as you just said and go nowhere. I read somewhere that they are planned, and I'm starting to believe it.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

these DA's are disgusting. just arrest the motherfukkers and charge them. they dont need a grand jury to indict. and even so, how was there not enough evidence to CHARGE the cop? if he got off itd be BS but alright...they cant even bring charges? how pathetic/corrupt of a prosecutor do u have to be to not charge them outright or at least pick/agree upon those to serve in the grand jury that aren't idiots? awful

 

[DEAD7]

When would you say the Drug War started, if you're tracing the source of poor police-community relations to that? Because poor police-community relations precedes the start of the Drug War by decades, if not a century or so.

The real issue is the institution itself... its primary purpose is not to fight crime, but to protect capitalist property. Working-class communities and communities of Color have always been the most heavily policed. If you trace the institution's development in the U.S., it goes back to slave patrols... and that's way before the start of any "drug war."

pretend this type discrimination is exclusive to capitalism brehs.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

This case is particularly egregious in its proof that we are at the mercy of the state.
@ any niqqa still talkin that grow the state, increase its power, disarm the public nonsense.

comin back to the (L) side are we now?

 

[JahFocus CS]

pretend this type discrimination is exclusive to capitalism brehs.

What type of discrimination, the disproportionate policing and application of violence toward the communities I mentioned?

When else in history have we seen this specific phenomenon in this form? Can you walk us through what you believe to be the lineage of the modern police institution?

 

[DEAD7]

What type of discrimination, the disproportionate policing and application of violence toward the communities I mentioned?

When else in history have we seen this specific phenomenon in this form? Can you walk us through what you believe to be the lineage of the modern police institution?

Sure, if you're being that narrow.



The communities you mentioned IMO are the American "have nots"/"poor", and the poor are being oppressed(in similar fashion) around the world under damn near every economic model.
The idea that the poor being more heavily policed is exclusive to capitalism is silly IMHO.
I'm not gonna take the time to look it up, but I'm positive the poor/working class suffer more from law enforcement, in communist, fascist, and dictator ran countries as well.