No Indictment for Tamir Rice's Killer

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"A grand jury could 'indict a ham sandwich,' but apparently not a whole pig"

That prosecutor is useless. Unbelievable.

As much as the police want to pretend to be military. Even the fukking military has rules of engagement and the Geneva conventions and a hold list of other stuff.

Unfukking believable man
 

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Did the NRA defend Tamir? @Ill

NRA doesn't foster this. NRA is pretty much a single issue organization, just like the GOA.
This is a structural problem with teh very nature of the justice system, that existed from the beginning.

Actually, iirc, the NRA fought against(and defeated) a bill that would have required bb guns in Ohio to have the distinctive orange tips.

I couldn't find a statement from the NRA on Tamir Rice. Disappointed me, I thought they would have atleast offered a lukewarm defense of Tamir here.
 

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This and Trayvon Martin get to me like no other. Just thinking about shyt makes me heated.
I am very reluctant to have black sons in the USA.

I sometimes wonder how people maintain their faith in God/humanity/goodness/justice.
Martin Luther King Jr. — "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

That quote doesn't help anymore. It is cold comfort at times like these. (For years, I have doubted that it is true. I have lost a shyt ton of faith. I am jaded and cynical. Black lives do not matter. God does not avenge wrongs. Might makes right. Why produce more black boys for them to kill? I am spiralling so hard at this news.)
 
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I am very reluctant to have black sons in the USA.

Martin Luther King Jr. — 'The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.'
It is cold comfort at times like these. (I personally doubt that it is true. I have lost a shyt ton of faith. I am jaded and cynical. Black lives do not matter. God does not avenge wrongs. Might makes right.)

shyt makes it hard to look on the bright side.
 

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I am very reluctant to have black sons in the USA.
I remember during the Civil Rights era they used the kids as a way to show the world the injustices. Now, man, woman or child, the gloves are off and no one gives a fukk. Camera phones, testimony, and history shows that it don't matter. It feels like we are yelling into a black hole. Like screaming ourselves hoarse. Black people are the living embodiment of The Hulk comic character.

I've had this discussion plenty of times with folks since I've moved to Africa. I shouldn't have to feel guilty for bringing another life into the world. I have a daughter and we go out and I hold her extra close cause these muthafukkas don't value her life no more than they value a fly's. I try to limit her interaction with white folks as much as possible because these people don't see her as a child. What type of subhuman do you have to be to be a fully functioning adult yet you're afraid of a child? This shyt is mind blowing to me. Not even gonna try to make sense of it because there's none to be had here.
 

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Actually, iirc, the NRA fought against(and defeated) a bill that would have required bb guns in Ohio to have the distinctive orange tips.

I couldn't find a statement from the NRA on Tamir Rice. Disappointed me, I thought they would have atleast offered a lukewarm defense of Tamir here.

The issue isn't bb guns.
He wasn't murdered because bb guns don't have orange tips.
Tamir Rice was murdered because the officer that killed him was a cold blooded murderer already fired from a previous LEO job for qeustionable conduct.
He wasn't held accountable for his actions, not because of bb guns not having orange tips, but because the justice system that allows DA's to manipulate grand juries to get exactly what they want.

Why would the NRA or any gun rights organization offer anything on Tamir Rice, it isn't a gun issue, its clearly a police misconduct issue.
 

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Not surprised at all, that's the sad thing:snoop:
The only thing we can do as a people is get our money up. The only thing more powerful than systematic racism is money. We need to start remembering these defenders of corruption, for when the day comes that we get on
 

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"A grand jury could 'indict a ham sandwich,' but apparently not a whole pig"

That prosecutor is useless. Unbelievable.

As much as the police want to pretend to be military. Even the fukking military has rules of engagement and the Geneva conventions and a hold list of other stuff.

Unfukking believable man
Prosecuters work with police officers everyday, I think they're delusional to think that the guy that helps them do their job is a piece of shyt. like its not fathomable. kinda like when family members don't believe one of their kin is a mass-murderer or terrorist.

The guy did a lousy job on purpose and its sad. The evidence of the video showing Tamir being killed in under a second by a cop jumping out of a moving vehicle should've been enough. It contradicted the claim that they commanded Tamir Rice to drop the toy and surrender. Its as if the grand jury didn't see the same video we seen. This fukker blamed Tamir Rice for his own death by saying he "looked older" and should've known not to play at the park. They keep mentioning his height and weight as if black boys are superhuman and mystical creatures. His mere presence is a seen as a threat. Our children aren't allowed to be children, they're seen as ticking time bombs. Tamir died too young and the shyt breaks my heart. These motherfukkers got me today. But you motherfukkers will not own tomorrow.
 

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From reddit user Northbus :
Prosecutor says officers won't be charged in shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in Cleveland • /r/news

In my opinion, the greatest breach of trust in this entire story is not the officer's shooting, but the system's response to it. For anyone who is unfamiliar with how the Grand Jury system works, let me explain:

A Grand Jury decides whether or not to indict someone for a crime and move on to the full jury trial with the prosecution vs. defense setup. The Grand Jury is supposed to be just a tool of the prosecution. The Grand Jury gets to see the prosecutor's evidence, look it over, and then make their determination of whether or not the defendant should go on to trial -- it's a method of preventing the court system's time from being wasted.

But in this case, the Prosecutor (Timothy McGinty) not only failed to do his job, he worked to actively sabotage the Grand Jury process. Remember, in this trial, the officer is the defendant and is being prosecuted by the state. However, rather than putting prosecutorial evidence before the Grand Jury like he was supposed to do, McGinty instead brought forth evidence against his own side to the Grand Jury. He hired and brought in numerous "experts" to give testimony in support of the defense, allowed the defendant to give statements on his own behalf, vigorously cross-examined the other witnesses who actually agreed with his side, etc.

It was a straight up betrayal of the Grand Jury process and his job as County Prosecutor.

Quote from Cleveland.com:
The Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office released three reports from national experts in police use of force that each found the boy's shooting was tragic but reasonable because the officers did not know Tamir's age or that the gun was fake. The experts also concluded that a reasonable officer responding to a report of a man with a gun would have considered Tamir's movements around his waist to pose a "threat" to their safety. They also concluded the use of deadly force would be legally appropriate.

The reports drew ire from lawyers representing Tamir's mother, Samaria Rice, in a wrongful death lawsuit against the officers and the city. The lawyers accused the experts of being too deferential to law enforcement. The attorneys eventually released reports from three of their own experts, two policing experts and a bio-kinetics expert, who concluded that the shooting was unreasonable and that Tamir's hands were actually in his jacket pockets when Loehmann fired.

The lawyers, community activists and a group of rabbis and pastors had called for months for McGinty to allow a special prosecutor to take over the investigation. They accused McGinty of harboring a bias in favor of law enforcement because his office works with police officers to build cases, and seeking expert reports that would exonerate the officers.


EDIT: More info from the letter sent to the District Attorney:
Last week, after taking the unusual step of asking the crime victim’s family to gather evidence to present to the grand jury (when that should be the prosecutor’s job), the prosecutors put the expert witnesses located by Tamir’s family on the stand. But, instead of allowing them to explain their findings to the grand jury, the prosecutors immediately launched into an improper cross-examination that included smirking and mocking the experts, pointing a toy gun in an expert’s face, and suggesting that the experts were not sufficiently concerned with preserving the police officers’ “liberty interest.” This treatment of the expert witnesses who Tamir’s family had to find after the prosecutor refused to do so made it clear that these prosecutors are not engaged in a search for truth or justice, but rather are conducting a charade process aimed at exonerating the officers.

EDIT #2: Said letter in its entirety: http://www.ecbalaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Rice-Letter.pdf
It's written by Tamir Rice's family, but given that the prosecutor is arguing the defense, this letter is the only voice we have arguing the prosecution.

EDIT #3: /u/soliddraft123 pointed out that usually the prosecutor himself opens up the grand jury investigation. So why did McGinty open the investigation only to stomp all over it? Here's what happened in Ohio:

As of six and a half months after the shooting, the Prosecutor's office had yet to 'decide' whether or not to take the case before a Grand Jury. The investigation had dragged on for months, with very few witnesses actually being interviewed or evidence being gathered. However, there is an interesting twist in Ohio law that allows citizens to petition a judge to have a case brought before a Grand Jury, which is exactly what happened.

Quoting Wikipedia:
In response to a petition from citizens, on June 11 Municipal Court Judge Ronald Adrine agreed that "Officer Timothy Loehmann should be charged with several crimes, the most serious of them being murder but also including involuntary manslaughter, reckless homicide, negligent homicide and dereliction of duty." Judge Adrine also found probable cause to charge Officer Frank Garmback with "negligent homicide and dereliction of duty." His opinion was forwarded to city prosecutors and Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Timothy McGinty, who as of that date had not yet come to a decision on whether to present the evidence to a grand jury.

In other words, McGinty was forced into taking into the Grand Jury a case he had been doing his best to put aside. So, instead, he simply sabotaged it.

Thanks for your responses and replies, everyone. And thanks for the gold. NorthBus out.
I don't know how accurate it is regarding the US justice system (@BarNone ?) but it's an interesting opinion.
 

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From reddit user Northbus :
Prosecutor says officers won't be charged in shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in Cleveland • /r/news


I don't know how accurate it is regarding the US justice system (@BarNone ?) but it's an interesting opinion.
It's entirely accurate. Prosecutors, judges and cops work too closely together to ever trust them to convict each other. It is like asking me how you're doing as a moderator. There is an explicit bias. It's a joke. Even if the kid had a gun, Ohio is an open carry state, so if they thought he was an adult then they would be still be unjustified. This is worse than Trayvon, Mike Brown, etc. There is literally no argument for that cop not getting locked up. The police department should also be sued for negligent hiring.
 

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From reddit user Northbus :
Prosecutor says officers won't be charged in shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in Cleveland • /r/news


I don't know how accurate it is regarding the US justice system (@BarNone ?) but it's an interesting opinion.

The Jewish community of Cleveland came to Tamir's defense. :lupe: I ain't even know that, they be out there for real. :salute:
Presenting contradicting evidence was the weirdest shyt ever and the "evidence" was "experts" paid testimonies.
 
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