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This breakdown is not logical for all intents and purposes, it would indicate the quantum world as a whole other universe with rules that never translate to reality. But more importantly we have already staked macroscopic claims on the quantum landscape with our forays into quantum computing and attempts at teleportation.

to explain my point, consider the idea of tunneling and the oft heard mental experiment of an idle car tunneling uphill or the moon tunneling a million light years away, and how these things don't happen not because they can't but because they are of very low probability, our 10 year voyage is a similar experiment in my opinion, given the low margin of error or, conversely, the high probability of missing the mark on a purely mathematical level and that the entire trek dependent on mostly the clockwork curving curvature of spacetime within our solar system, this has to point to a certain degree of rigid stability and reliability of natural forces and states. Whatever quirkiness and whimsy that is happening at the most fundamental levels must certainly lead to such stable reality or be completely irrelevant to it.

*basically the size of space divided by the size of the comet

:ehh: Reminds me of an Einstein quote

Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the "old one." I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice.

But alas friend we landed the probe, against immeasurable odds. I would attribute that to the power of human ingenuity. One thing we should avoid is placing human limitations on this vast universe. We accept the majority of the universe is made of energy we cannot detect, and matter we cannot measure. That large exploding stars rip the fabric of spacetime and have the force to swallow light. That gravity, pressure and temperature can combine gases and create every atom within us. That this could be one of many universes, and you question whether the quantum world can exist? :pachaha:

What excites me is not how we got to the comet, but what we will find. Water, amino acids and other building blocks to life. To truly confirm it. Then it won't seem crazy that large blocks of ice can slam into planets and create...what? Molecules, matter, RNA ...Life. Because it isn't crazy that stars can explode, and create new atoms. New matter. And that matter creates planets, and comets that crash into planets with life's building blocks. And stars explode everywhere and planets exist everywhere and comets exist everywhere that have those same building blocks. Which means life is... :ohhh:
 

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:ehh: Reminds me of an Einstein quote
so relevant:wow:

But alas friend we landed the probe, against immeasurable odds.
Quantum theorists would bring up the immeasurable smallness of a Planck length to shore up their arguments that these odds are nauseatingly reasonable and pathetically "measurable" compared to the odds of the moon tunneling a million miles away forth and back before the Terran tides realize it. I must share that this sometimes reminds me of religious promises of heaven.

I would attribute that to the power of human ingenuity. One thing we should avoid is placing human limitations on this vast universe. We accept the majority of the universe is made of energy we cannot detect, and matter we cannot measure.
Dark energy and matter may just be placeholders for a new theory we have yet to understand, it could be inferred their very names connote their temporary undefined assignations.

That large exploding stars rip the fabric of spacetime and have the force to swallow light.
Not very hard to accept, given the objective evidence available-we've watched this- and the practical evidence-we've employed black hole lensing to see behind stars and beyond the distance limits of our telescopes.

That gravity, pressure and temperature can combine gases and create every atom within us.

again, not really hard to accept, in fact this may be even considered trivial given that we've employed nuclear fusion to our own nefarious and constructive ends and that we are one age advanced from nuclear.


That this could be one of many universes,
I don't accept that theory as having any significance

and you question whether the quantum world can exist? :pachaha:
Not my claim really

look at it this way
Consider this achievement an experiment upon the stability of space-time (matter and forces, seen and unseen) but subsumed within the relevancy of a human lifespan. for ten years space-time behaved predictably to a degree accurate and reliable enough that, from a mere few initial energetic inputs by us (and then time lagged inputs too), it could land a tiny machine within proximity of a tiny rock so said tiny machine could then land an even tinier probe on said tiny rock. Though the voyager 1 is 26 more years out in space-time than Rosetta, it does not and can not provide as exquisite feedback upon such an experiment.

tiny stream of thought bubble: So the same thing can be said of earth being a satellite faithfully traveling clockwork in space-time but to me the Rosetta breaches the object-subject conundrum, and places us firmly on the metaphysical ground, we initiated and controlled our own tiny space-time object with amazing unprecedented accuracy.


What excites me is not how we got to the comet, but what we will find. Water, amino acids and other building blocks to life. To truly confirm it. Then it won't seem crazy that large blocks of ice can slam into planets and create...what? Molecules, matter, RNA ...Life. Because it isn't crazy that stars can explode, and create new atoms. New matter. And that matter creates planets, and comets that crash into planets with life's building blocks. And stars explode everywhere and planets exist everywhere and comets exist everywhere that have those same building blocks. Which means life is... :ohhh:
Strangely I find this relatively trivial, panspermia simply kicks the ontological question down the road, or rather the primordial soup pond to another setting. it would definitely challenge the bible for some people.
 
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Dr.Matt Taylor just spoke to the BBC directly from ESA and said that its 'stable' and that they are currently trying to work out its orientation and will attempt to fire the harpoons again. BBC reported that when it hit the surface, it bounced back up into space for 2 hours and on the initial impact it had sunk a few cm into the surface meaning that its softer than anticipated and the screws probably wouldn't have worked anyway.

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GMT 11:02 Its taken the first few PHOTOS of itself on the surface. Still not known whether the lander is on its side or whether its on a slope.

High Res photo of Philae on the surface.

Photo of surface at site A upon the landers approach.

Another image of the descent.

GMT 11:05 Rough transcript from Professor Mark Laglouglin from ESA, Darmstadt:

On the surface, stable not moving. Two of the feet are definitely touching the surface. Bottom of the lander is looking at the ground so its not upside down. Science data is streaming and we are releasing images as they come. Larger panorama will come soon. Analysing rapidly the location and orientation. We are looking for it, it touched down 100m from where it was supposed to. The comet rotated when it bounced back up so we dont know where it came back down. Might be in site B. Its all under control however. All will become clearer later today.

We dont know fully yet if we will have enough sun to charge the secondary batteries. If its in a permanent dark position we will follow the plan and carry out primary experiments on the first charge. Anything successfully done afterwards will be fantastic.
 

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Dr.Matt Taylor just spoke to the BBC directly from ESA and said that its 'stable' and that they are currently trying to work out its orientation and will attempt to fire the harpoons again. BBC reported that when it hit the surface, it bounced back up into space for 2 hours and on the initial impact it had sunk a few cm into the surface meaning that its softer than anticipated and the screws probably wouldn't have worked anyway.

Edit:

GMT 11:02 Its taken the first few PHOTOS of itself on the surface. Still not known whether the lander is on its side or whether its on a slope.

High Res photo of Philae on the surface.

Photo of surface at site A upon the landers approach.

Another image of the descent.

GMT 11:05 Rough transcript from Professor Mark Laglouglin from ESA, Darmstadt:

On the surface, stable not moving. Two of the feet are definitely touching the surface. Bottom of the lander is looking at the ground so its not upside down. Science data is streaming and we are releasing images as they come. Larger panorama will come soon. Analysing rapidly the location and orientation. We are looking for it, it touched down 100m from where it was supposed to. The comet rotated when it bounced back up so we dont know where it came back down. Might be in site B. Its all under control however. All will become clearer later today.

We dont know fully yet if we will have enough sun to charge the secondary batteries. If its in a permanent dark position we will follow the plan and carry out primary experiments on the first charge. Anything successfully done afterwards will be fantastic.
They don't want to admit the truth because it will be a blow to future missions.
 

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They don't want to admit the truth because it will be a blow to future missions.
they landed on a solitary rock in the middle of the universe, the mission was a wild success the instant they made it close enough to take pictures of the comet
 

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...when will communication with our life-forms occur, tho:patrice:
 
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