Noam Chomsky: Members of Migrant Caravan Are Fleeing from Misery & Horrors Created by the U.S.

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It’s kind of interesting to see this hysterical raving alongside of another astonishing propaganda campaign that Bolton and his colleagues are carrying out with regard to the caravan of poor and miserable people fleeing from severe oppression, violence, terror, extreme poverty from three countries: Honduras—mainly Honduras, secondarily Guatemala, thirdly El Salvador—not Nicaragua, incidentally—three countries that have been under harsh U.S. domination, way back, but particularly since the 1980s, when Reagan’s terror wars devastated particularly El Salvador and Guatemala, secondarily Honduras. Nicaragua was attacked by Reagan, of course, but Nicaragua was the one country which had an army to defend the population. In the other countries, the army were the state terrorists, backed by the United States.

The most extreme source of migrants right now is Honduras. Why Honduras? Well, it was always bitterly oppressed. But in 2009, Honduras had a mildly reformist president, Mel Zelaya. The Honduran powerful, rich elite couldn’t tolerate that. A military coup took place, expelled him from the country. It was harshly condemned all through the hemisphere, with one notable exception: the United States. The Obama administration refused to call it a military coup, because if they had, they would have been compelled by law to withdraw military funding from the military regime, which was imposing a regime of brutal terror. Honduras became the murder capital of the world. A fraudulent election took place under the military junta—again, harshly condemned all over the hemisphere, most of the world, but not by the United States. The Obama administration praised Honduras for carrying out an election, moving towards democracy and so on. Now people are fleeing from the misery and horrors for which we are responsible.

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Only person who should be surprised by this is in denial cacs.

Honduras has had democracy stolen from them and the country has been handed to the rich

And what they do?

Turn it into the murder capital of the world with no jobs:dahell:(sounds like hell on earth)


With isis and boko haraam out there and multiple actual wars currently going on:dead:


Cant wait for this country chickens to fully come home to roost :ahh:
 

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i dont deny the atrocities america commits, but it's not like every fukkin thing that's wrong with south america is our fault. and it's certainly not the fault of the poor americans who illegals and migrants end up competing with for schools, jobs and housing
 

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i dont deny the atrocities america commits, but it's not like every fukkin thing that's wrong with south america is our fault. and it's certainly not the fault of the poor americans who illegals and migrants end up competing with for schools, jobs and housing
When I first heard of the caravan I wondered if the fleeing was because of American foreign policy. That was my first thought.
And lo and behold!!!

And most of the worlds atrocities are because of the one country that is everywhere.
From foreign occupation to govt coups to erect a puppet.
If we want to be patriotic be so about the citizens of this country not by the actions of the corrupt & powerful few.

That's the main issue with the right, too much loyalty to the country more than it's people!
 

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i dont deny the atrocities america commits, but it's not like every fukkin thing that's wrong with south america is our fault. and it's certainly not the fault of the poor americans who illegals and migrants end up competing with for schools, jobs and housing
About several weeks ago I went to ATL, GA.
I took an Uber from my hotel to the Airport, and my uber driver picked me up at the airport.
When I entered the car I noticed his hands and arms, it was full of weird looking bumps, and I then noticed he had some on the side of his face too.
He asked me where you going, I said Canada.
Then we started takling, he was a black man from south carolina and recently moved to ATL.
He asked me "so how do you find canada different from the U.S. politically?"

I told him a story, about how once I went to North Carolina on a company trip, and we all went to a baseball game.
So above the stadium behind all the seats is a restaurant, a big one, and some rooms in the back.
I was in the restaurant with a view of the baseball court, and then the national anthem started.
When it started everyone stood up, hand on heart, some fist on heart, and everyone sung.
I looked around and my first thought was "that's too much nationalism", I actually did not know what to do.
I am not against doing that but I am against it in an ocean of everyone else robotically doing it. But I think I was the only brownskin guy in the room so I didn't know how that would go, so all I did was I stood up but hands in pocket.
And I told him this wouldn't happen in Canada, with that many people hand/fist on heart. That's amercian patriotism, the caring of the national anthem and showing way too much respect to the american flag which is just a stupid piece of cloth.
That's how I differentiated Canada, Canada is not really into nationalism like that.
I myself could burn an american flag, who gives a shyt, it's a piece of cloth it means nothing, and doing so would not be anti-american because again it's just a piece of cloth.

Then the uber driver was like "ya shyt crazy in the U.S." and then he told me how he is not like that.
He told me that his father was in Vietman during the war and he comes from a military family, when in Vietnam his father was exposed to Agent Orange, then when he came back from the war he got married and had a kid.
That kid was him, my uber driver, but because his father got exposed to Agent Orange when he was born he was born with cancer tumors all over his body. That is why he had bumps all over his face and arms. But he told me it's all over his body, I was like oh shyt.
He told me even though he showed all his cancer tumors all over his body to his military family they showed empathy but it didn't change them, they still supported american foreign policy like that.

It's interesting, many people have their own personal stories about why they are the way they are.
Anyhow I thought I would share this, maybe relevant.
 

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i dont deny the atrocities america commits, but it's not like every fukkin thing that's wrong with south america is our fault. and it's certainly not the fault of the poor americans who illegals and migrants end up competing with for schools, jobs and housing

In this particular case it is. And it goes back decades as Chomsky points out.
 

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In this particular case it is. And it goes back decades as Chomsky points out.
and if the caravan were to all apply to get in and we let them in, where do you propose sending them? whose children should they go to school with, at which already underfunded school district?
 

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and if the caravan were to all apply to get in and we let them in, where do you propose sending them? whose children should they go to school with, at which already underfunded school district?
I think the pont is the schools shouldn't be underfunded. Supposedly the richest country in the world has underfunded schools? Why? Unless they want a dumb electorate. :ohhh:
The US has got us on some there is only a limited amount of good things out here. No, these guys are just holding out on us and buying things they want.
 

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I think the pont is the schools shouldn't be underfunded. Supposedly the richest country in the world has underfunded schools? Why? Unless they want a dumb electorate. :ohhh:
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well, thats actually true :yeshrug:

one of my favorite george carlin quotes. they want us just smart enough to push the buttons on the machines, but not smart enough to question how badly we're being fukked
 

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Fleeing to the source of their misery? :childplease:
fleeing to where benefited from their misery.

I've been saying this from the start. You can't overthrow governments and cripple countries with sanctions and act surprised when people want to leave.
 
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