Noam Chomsky white supremacy in america is worse than what south africa

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm going to say this, and I seriously want you to leave me alone, stop quoting me, and stop trying to bait me into an argument I really don't care to have with you at all cause it's fukking annoying.

This is a message board.

Yes, I'm aware of the opportunities for progress here, but at the same time I can't ignore the glaring inequality that this country has especially given the history of black americans here.

You tried to validate this by talking about anagrams, son

Make the point if you must, don't lower your standards in doing so. It shows immaturity.

It literally pisses me off. Nobody is trying to play victim.

Can't tell.

I'm pretty sure 99.95% of black people in America are seriously taking the opportunity they can to improve their position in life and out of that I'm pretty sure the majority have faced many roadblocks to getting to that point.

Agreed.

There are articles that have been posted on here that said that even with college degrees, many black people in America are STRUGGLING to start careers.

OK?

Black people in America are three times more likely to be unemployed than their white counterparts.

Ok?

A black man with a degree is less likely to get hired for the same position than a white man with no degree and a criminal record.

OK?

Does that not bother you?

Absolutely.

If it doesnt...shut the fukk up.

I see your type breh. You fish for daps in any thread about racial fukkery,

Look at my rep. I don't care about reps.

Who ever makes this sort of argument just shows they're reaching for anything to grasp on to make ad hominem without sticking to the thread topic

but when it comes time to have a serious discussion about how black Americans are still struggling and how it relates to white supremacy (a concept CREATED in America) you are the one constantly shytting on black people like they haven't done everything they could collectively to get to a better point.

I've been listening to Noam Chomsky since I was in the 7th grade and he would make appearances on Democracy Now that i'd listen to on the way home.

Dude is big on criticism, and limited on answers.

Seriously take your unrealistic stance on race relations and starry eyed idealism the fukk out my face cause I ain't having it!

Is this supposed to be intimidating?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

For example, here's a decree passed by France's Louis in the XIV in the 17th century : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Noir

I have some new bathroom reading

 

[Liu Kang]

[...]the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were probably the single most racist acts America has imposed on another country and it's people.[...]

How was those two acts motivated by racism or based on race ?

[...]And that was just a tidbit of information, not an argument at all, but I guess people are trying to negate the points I've tried to make by saying it has nothing to do with my statement when it has everything to do with my statement that I refuse to rescind on in any way, shape, or form.

America being an anagram of "I AM RACE" has absolutely no value at all breh. This is just trivia at best.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

How was those two acts motivated by racism or based on race ?


America being an anagram of "I AM RACE" has absolutely no value at all breh. This is just trivia at best.

Breh...that was probably the pinnacle of white supremacy right there...a brutal display of power.

Yes, it was a retalliation for an attack in a war, but that killed almost 200,000 people. Basically it was America's way of saying "don't fukk with whitey cause we have more power than you."

I don't care if you disagree or can't see my opinions for the value they might have. Not everybody is going to see eye to eye.

White supremacy is a worldwide currency and business that's been in effect for centuries. If someone like Noam Chomsky (a person I respect highly) can see it for what it is in America, who's to say otherwise? They will though. As I would expect.

And I figured I'd throw that bit out there. Moving on...

 

[88m3]

Yea I know, that's why I didn't mention Russia in your comment.

But I find it funny that America, with such a reputation as the "hub" of multiculturalism, is and was based off of maintaining a racial hierarachy that was established through exploitation, genocide, and slavery. Russia doesn't have a history of slavery but it's a very racist country nonetheless. But then again, like many Asian countries and Eastern European countries, it has a very homogenous population that leaves it to be very unwelcome to non-whites. Russia has not imposed it's racist rhetoric through media, politics, or through other means to other parts of the world like America has.

I'm aware of the "whitening" process that was employed in many parts of South America (argentina comes to mind, which is also a hub for former Neo-Nazis and SS Guards to have a safe haven to hide away from being tried for war crimes in a tribunal ie The Nuremberg Trials and how it was involved in the Transatlantic Slave trade), but I just can't compare all of those countries to a country like America that has such a large reach financially, politically, socially, etc...when it comes to imposing racism on a wide scale.

Russia did export exploitation, racial superiority, slavery and genocide. The population wasn't/isn't homogenous. Read up on it, man. It was horrible.

South America was found by the Spanish and Portuguese their views of Catholicism of the time established them as a racial hierarchy it's fairly complicated as well and I don't have the time to break it down.
Slavery in many of these countries happened 100 years after it was abolished in the United States. Today the 1 drop rule still has wide spread consequences across South America.

America has a lot of issues but it's important to keep things in prospective.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Fam. I'm the first to call America out, but you speaking in this histrionic hyperbole is just so laughable I can't take you seriously when you do that shyt.

My parents are Jamaican. I've grown up viewing America as an hegemony and from an outsiders perspective my whole life. I've seen imperialism and mercantilism on a level NONE of you will ever even grasp.

So miss me with all this emotional attempt at saying dumb shyt like:

...and expect to be seriously regarded as any sort of authority on the state of black welfare in the USA...and the world at large.

You think its bad in America? Well good luck in Latin America or Europe...or...hell, ASIA. Cause ya'll never say shyt about the plight melanated people face in non-Western countries.

But hey, you chose not to embrace the opportunities you have here to improve your lot (and its well documented through your own struggles on this site) and want to use your experiences as a representation of everything we face.

"Blacks" are 12% of the USA population...and that comes out to 40 million people.

There are more black people in the US than any non-African nation, second to Brazil.

Black Americans have the highest standard of living of the "black diaspora" and more access to any sort of opportunity or resource.

Is it perfect?

No.

But don't come in here shytting on every ounce of progress so you can embrace this consistent victim status for the sake of making a half-assed argument.

You think this is the only first world country with black people or something?

 

[Liu Kang]

Breh...that was probably the pinnacle of white supremacy right there...a brutal display of power.

Yes, it was a retalliation for an attack in a war, but that killed almost 200,000 people. Basically it was America's way of saying "don't fukk with whitey cause we have more power than you."

I don't care if you disagree or can't see my opinions for the value they might have. Not everybody is going to see eye to eye.

White supremacy is a worldwide currency and business that's been in effect for centuries. If someone like Noam Chomsky (a person I respect highly) can see it for what it is in America, who's to say otherwise? They will though. As I would expect.

And I figured I'd throw that bit out there. Moving on...

You're all over the place homie but if that fits you eh.
Because white supremacy is a "display of power" doesn't mean that every display of power are acts of white supremacy. It's not that I disagree with you (because that happens), it's that your opinions are wrong at heart. You're basic stance (the USA created race and racism ; the USA put racism in law ; the USA reinforced the idea of WS through various means ; the USA are the example other countries based their racism and so on) is wrong and proven wrong by facts. You may choose to still believe it but you should know that it is flawed.

Regarding the war crimes that was both bombings and implying that they were at heart the consequences of white supremacy is completely ignoring the context of the time. I'm not saying that WS didn't play a role (though I -highly- doubt it) but to say that it was the main reason above :
- The Pacific War in the WWII and the USA closing in on Japan
- The possible choice of Japan ground invasion that would have necessarily ended in millions of deaths like on European soil
- The Empire of Japan's state of mind, their concept of honor, the Japanese imperialism and its numerous war crimes (experimentation on humans, chemical/biological weapons, mass rapes, massacres of civilians of their neighbor countries, aggressive expansion on non-Japanese territories etc) and also Japan's ultra nationalism, xenophobia and its concept of racial superiority (them too !) on others Asians.
- The very premises of the Cold War (whose influence would dominate the world between Russia and the USA)
Is completely ignoring the context (and its complexity) at the time. Sorry mate.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You think this is the only first world country with black people or something?

Theres more black people in the US than all of Europe and Asia combined

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Theres more black people in the US than all of Europe and Asia combined

...In apartheid made ghettos living in third world conditions suffering from record rates of murder & drug abuse & being hunted down like dogs by the authorities? Sure. Bu-bu-but "Black Americans have the highest standard of living of the "black diaspora" and more access to any sort of opportunity or resource."

 

[Gains]

How was those two acts motivated by racism or based on race ?


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the internment camps , racist anti Japanese propaganda , the USs long standing attitude towards non white nations to justify foreign expansion and intervention

 

[A Real Human Bean]

He didn't say that, George Fredrickson did.

The actual quote is: "Take a look at the scholarly work on it, say, George Fredrickson’s study of the white supremacy, comparative study. He concludes, I think plausibly, that the white supremacy in the United States was even more extreme and savage than in South Africa."

This is the study he's referencing, if anyone would like to take a look for themselves.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Always glossed over. But hey we have a Month to speak about it.

 

[Digga38]

misdirection....funny Noam never names you know who as the culprits

 

[Liu Kang]

the internment camps , racist anti Japanese propaganda , the USs long standing attitude towards non white nations to justify foreign expansion and intervention

So, to you, both bombings were based on race ? It had nothing to do with competition with Russia ? With WWII ? With stopping Imperial Japan ?
Were there internment camps for Japanese-Americans before the war for example ?

Don't get me wrong, there were racism and xenophobia in the WWII or pre-WWII (and from both sides because Japan weren't soft either and the Chinese could tell a thing or two about it). But to me, it was simply fueled by the international conflicts and the consequences of it and not the other way around (at least from the USA in this case). And I do find it inaccurate to label Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings as acts of White Supremacy because it portrays Race/Racism as the main motive(s) while disregarding all the other reasons proven by historians and mainly the increasing rivalry with Russia. I mean, I don't expect wars to be clean so it's illogical that there will be racism in armed conflicts above all in propaganda.

But if you feel like race was the reason, we will simply have to agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Truth200]

Capitalism has no moral basis.