nobody wants to admit it but the more u go back and listen to parliament funkadelic.....

[OnlyInCalifornia]

If you go back and analyze a ton of breaks and beats from back in the day you'll come up with similar results....

 

[Walt]

but am i wrong for thinkin' a lot of those g funk records were lazy samples and not that impressive once you go back and listen to those parliament funkadelic albums; ohio players too and all those other funk records of the 70s

i know all about samples and interpolations and all that, i'm just sayin', some of em' not all that impressive when you really get down to the core of them songs

i'm just callin' it for what it is

not sayin' they (g funk) ain't shyt or nothin' like that, just sayin'

Nah, brother, you ain't wrong at all. I was actually shocked by dude saying none of Dre's music was sampled, when the riffs and loops are so damn blatant and easily identifiable if you have any grasp of Parliament's material. I'm not wading into this discussion though, people treat dudes like Dre like sacred cows, there's no way you can have a reasonable conversation about it.

 

[I love Latina women]

Nah, brother, you ain't wrong at all. I was actually shocked by dude saying none of Dre's music was sampled, when the riffs and loops are so damn blatant and easily identifiable if you have any grasp of Parliament's material. I'm not wading into this discussion though, people treat dudes like Dre like sacred cows, there's no way you can have a reasonable conversation about it.

thank you! this is by far the realest post i've ever seen in the booth!

 

[Michael's Black Son]

the less impressive what a lot of nikkas was doin' with g funk with samplin'/playin' back those funk tunes becomes

i'm listenin' to some parliament now (their funkentelechy vs. the placebo syndrome album) and it just really hit me just how really what nikkas like dre was doin' really won't all that

now, i am an r&b head before anythin' else (i know it's funk but you get my point) but it just really dawned on me how dre and them really ain't do much. nor did above the law

i know this thread might catch a lot of hate but fukk it, it is what it is

Yup. People like Dre (especially) lifted whole basslines, grooves, themes, visuals, vocals and song structures from Parliament. It's mind blowing because it's not like Parliament came out 40 years before he touched it. It was more like 15 years and George Clinton was still very much active at that time.

It's bugged out because a lot of the GFunk shyt had tons of Parliament DNA running thru it but a dude like Quik took the whole funk thing in another direction to a point where you know a Quik joint when you hear it.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Dre made the best records,if nikkas were being more "creative with samples" but making weaker shyt,sounds like stupidity to me.

 

[Mac Casper]

For the most part all Dr. Dre did was have this music replayed . . while adding garbage morally decrepit lyrics over it. With "Next Episode" it's different because he added to lyrics to a lyricless song . . but everything else he watered down lyrically

 

[Sccit]

LISTEN TO THE LEON HAYWOOD JOINT AND THEN DRE'S RECREATION OF IT .. SONICALLY, ITS NOT EVEN COMPARABLE

DRE THE GOAT N ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE

 

[UserNameless]

the chronic is a classic. fukk everything else.

 

[EndDomination]

Dr. Dre literally just played some of the songs, with almost no input.
Labi Siffre's "I Got The..." is a good example. He literally just lifted the track.
Same with "Woman to Woman" though he added a sound or two.
It's just that he was one of the earliest to do it, not that what he did was all that impressive.

 

[Citi Trends]

i agree.
these nikkas are gonna continue with this "its genuis to find an old record"(lmao what) and "sometimes the genuis is in just copying something and looping it" BS, but it's all damage control and compensating for things they love.
the fact of the matter is when you listen to the original records and get older the shyt isn't impressive anymore and you have a hard time calling certain people "musical geniuses"

Do i enjoy those beats and appreciate the idea to use the records to rap over? Yes. But as for calling them the greatest beats ever or saying the guy who made them is the best ever, fukk no.

I much more appreciate a producer who finds something in a record, that on the surface isn't even there and creates music out of it

 

[The Fire]

op is definitely right
when u go back and think about it a lot of them older rap records was just drums on a looped section
like straight bites

 

[R-Typ3]

But the most beautiful thing that guys like Dre, Quik, Hutch, DJ Pooh, Sir Jinx, Ant Banks, EA Ski+CMT and others did was turn all our ears on and bring a lot of music that was called "old news" back to life



Boo Yaa had the edge over most because they're a band they could cover a old joint or just jam it out

 

[Geek Nasty]

Anyone who didn't know this didn't grow up listening to this music

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

sometimes i want to hear a loop straight lifted, sometimes i don't want to hear it chopped and flipped and messed with too much. with that said i love a good chop, sample, or flip as well

I don't really have the appreciation for production as much as some of my friends do. I want to hear a dope beat, i want to hear a dope sample, I want to listen to the OG joints, that's pretty much how I got into listening to soul/funk/r and b and all that. Basically from the samples and appreciating the source material til i developed a love for mayfield and hayes and on and on

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

the less impressive what a lot of nikkas was doin' with g funk with samplin'/playin' back those funk tunes becomes

i'm listenin' to some parliament now (their funkentelechy vs. the placebo syndrome album) and it just really hit me just how really what nikkas like dre was doin' really won't all that

now, i am an r&b head before anythin' else (i know it's funk but you get my point) but it just really dawned on me how dre and them really ain't do much. nor did above the law

i know this thread might catch a lot of hate but fukk it, it is what it is

I think it was senior year of high school someone played leon Haywood "i wanna do soemthing freaky to you" and that's when it dawned on me that as much as g-funk was integral to my being, the producers weren't really doing shyt. I feel that way about 90's so so def and bad boy as well, all the samples from people like patrice rushen, SOS band, de barge, loose ends, diana Ross, etc...dudes being coined major producers literally lifting a whole track and laying some new drums on it