Nolan Nawrocki goes IN on NFL prospects

[Trip]

mel kiper isnt an nfl scout. just because he writes his little reports doesnt make him one. his connection and questionable 'reputation' gets him spotlight, but he doesnt actually scout. hes a guy with opinion and access to film, no different from your or me, just with nfl and media connections

your logic of 'guy is more right than he is wrong' -> he is a capable scout for an NFL team is hilarious.

Mel Kiper is a TV personality. I dont treat him as a scout...and Kiper is way more wrong than he is right.

In terms of draft prep and info- Nawrocki's take offers the best imo.

I never said either were capable of being NFL scouts.

 

[NYC Rebel]

mel kiper isnt an nfl scout. just because he writes his little reports doesnt make him one. his connection and questionable 'reputation' gets him spotlight, but he doesnt actually scout. hes a guy with opinion and access to film, no different from your or me, just with nfl and media connections

your logic of 'guy is more right than he is wrong' -> he is a capable scout for an NFL team is hilarious.

"I heard about the article that the guy wrote in Pro Football Weekly, and to be honest with you, when I heard him say he'd never met the guy, that was the last I paid any attention to it," NFL GM

 

[yseJ]

writing for pfw apparently makes you a scout now ?
isnt that site just a notch above pft, which was basically user-driven bleacherreport the last time I checked ?

 

[Trip]

Dude is not a scout. He's not even c/s scouts. He's the equivalent of a messageboard poster that smooched his way up the ranks of PFW and now NFL.com.

He has no pedigree to speak of, and is purely for there for page clicks he generates playing master troll. But here you are saying his work reflects a real scout's work?

I know a scout...grew up with one....follow real scouts. This dude's work does NOT reflect them one ioda.

Again...stop fronting for the board. This dude has zero pedigree.

I never called him a scout. Clearly he's been getting his info from somebody. And in terms of overall assessments of prospects- he's been the most accurate.

 

[Trip]

writing for pfw apparently makes you a scout now ?
isnt that site just a notch above pft, which was basically user-driven bleacherreport the last time I checked ?

No. PFW was a good publication.

 

[yseJ]

so whats your point then ? this little report that was posted is fukking garbage.
Im not a manziel fan, but pretty much all the shyt that was quoted in the op regarding him was drivel. does this dude always accentuate on irrelevant and phantom character 'issues' ?

 

[Trip]

so whats your point then ? this little report that was posted is fukking garbage.
Im not a manziel fan, but pretty much all the shyt that was quoted in the op regarding him was drivel. does this dude always accentuate on irrelevant and phantom character 'issues' ?

This is the FULL write up

STRENGTHS
Has very big hands and grips the ball well on the move. Dynamic athlete. Exceptional game-day competitor -- rises to the occasion. Has a passion for the game. Played on the biggest of stages and revels in having his back against the wall. Stepped up against a national-championship Alabama defense in 2012 and has proven he can command come-from-behind victories, as he capped his career in the Chick-fil-A bowl vs. Duke by overcoming a 21-point halftime deficit. Sufficient timing, ball placement and accuracy (68.9 percent career passing percentage). Terrific scrambling ability. Reverse spins and buys time in the pocket while continuing to scan the field -- can still set his feet, alter his throwing motion and manipulate his arm and throwing platform. Houdini-like escapability (uses subtle, nifty sidestep moves) and improvisional ability in the pocket to pull a rabbit out of his hat and create magic. Has peripheral, wide-eyed running vision (sometimes seems like he has eyes in back of his head) and a very good feel for spacing. Carries the ball with a fearless confidence that he will find a way to create and usually gains positive yardage on broken plays when he appears trapped. Is mentally and physically tough -- will pop back up from hard collisions and respond to a challenge. Record-setting and award-winning two-year production. Has a knack for sustaining drives and possesses playmaking ability to create on third downs and in critical situations to keep the sticks moving.
WEAKNESSES
Has an unorthodox body type with marginal height, rounded shoulders, an underdeveloped body and very big feet that almost look clumsy. Will need to learn to do a better job protecting his body and sliding. Feels pocket ghosts and often takes off running at the second flash of coverage. Undisciplined -- plays his own offense and presses to make plays. Cannot see over the pocket easily and almost never steps up into it, creating extra difficulties for OL coaches to coordinate blocking schemes and for offensive linemen to anticipate where the pocket will be. Dances around the pocket too much and creates needless sacks rolling into protection when the pocket is clean. Has not worked from under center, and footwork and set-up will require refinement. Often throws the ball up in the air and relies on big receivers to adjust to it and make plays, highly benefiting from the playmaking ability of Mike Evans. Tends to overshoot the deep ball and throw off his back foot, leading to some underthrows (too many dirtballs on the move) and diminished accuracy. Needlessly pats the ball when he scans the field. Could stand to do a better job carrying out play-action fakes. Has not developed a reputation as a worker or for doing the extras. Suspect intangibles -- not a leader by example or known to inspire by his words. Carries a sense of entitlement and prima-donna arrogance seeking out the bright lights of Hollywood. Is known to party too much and is drawn to all the trappings of the game. Lacks ideal starting experience (only two years), operated a non-traditional offense and has a lot to learn.
BOTTOM LINE
A very unique, run-around, ad-lib, sandlot-style quarterback who consistently won games playing a brand of fast-paced, jailbreak football that often goes off script and can be difficult both to game plan with and against. Is most comfortable on the move outside the pocket where he can find open throwing lanes and see the field and will command mush rush and extra spy defenders. Has defied the odds and proven to be a great college-system quarterback, but still must prove he is willing to work to be great, adjust his hard-partying, Hollywood lifestyle and be able to inspire his teammates by more than his playmaking ability. Overall character, leadership ability and work habits will define his NFL career. Rare competitiveness and third-down efficiency could carry him a long way, yet he will be challenged to avoid a Ryan Leaf-like, crash-and-burn scenario if he does not settle down and mature. A high-risk, high-reward pick, Manziel stands to benefit from entering the NFL at a time when moving pockets are trending.

 

[yseJ]

No. PFW was a good publication.

fair enough. I dont read that shyt, about the only pubs I read is pff and fo for analysis, plus during the offseason+draft Im guilty of checking espn for news.

still, a nfl scout is a different breed from all those media guys. hell, any real sports team scout is.

 

[Trip]

And for reference, from an actual NFL scout:

Nov 2, 2002 – Ole Miss vs Auburn

Wears left knee brace… During pregame warmup, didn’t look like he had a rocket arm… As game progressed, I saw excellent arm strength under pressure and the ability to get velocity on the ball on most throws. Good deep ball range. Good touch. Good vision and poise.

Sees the field… In shotgun on most plays and his only running option is a draw… his offensive line is poor. Red-shirt freshman left tackle. Eli doesn’t trust his protection. Can’t. No way he can take any form of a deep drop and look downfield. With no running game (10 yards rushing the first half) and no real top receivers, he’s stuck with the three-step drops and waiting til the last second to see if a receiver can get free. No tight end either. No flaring back. So he’s taking some big hits. Taking them well. Carried an overmatched team entirely on his shoulders. I imagine, except for Vanderbilt, his team is overmatched in every SEC game… He’s big, never gets rattled. Rallied his team from a 14-3 halftime deficit basically all by himself. Led them on two successive third quarter drives to go ahead, 17-16. The first touchdown, a 40-yard streak down the left sideline, he dropped the ball over the receiver’s right shoulder. Called the next touchdown pass himself, checking off to a 12-yard slant… Makes a lot of decisions on play calls at the line of scrimmage, but they ask too much of him. They don’t just let him play. This is a guy you should just let play… When he’s inaccurate, he’s usually high, but rarely off target to either side… Plays smart and with complete confidence. Doesn’t scold his teammates, but lets them know when they line up wrong or run the wrong pattern… Threw three interceptions. Two were his fault. Trying to force something both times. He could have run on one of them, a fourth down play. He has a lot to learn.

Summary: I think he’s the complete package. He’s not going to be a fast runner, but a little like Joe Montana, he has enough athletic ability to get out of trouble. Remember how Archie ran? In that department, Eli doesn’t have the best genes, although I never timed mom Olivia in the 40. But he has a feel for the pocket. Feels the rush.

Throws the ball, takes the hit, gets right back up… Has courage and poise. In my opinion, most of all, he has that quality you can’t define. Call it magic. As [former Baltimore Colts defensive back] Bobby Boyd told me once about Unitas, “Two things set him apart: his left testicle and his right testicle.”… Peyton had much better talent around him at Tennessee. But I honestly give this guy a chance to be better than his brother. Eli doesn’t get much help from the coaching staff. If he comes out early, we should move up to take him. These guys are rare, you know.

Ernie Accorsi

 

[Trip]

fair enough. I dont read that shyt, about the only pubs I read is pff and fo for analysis, plus during the offseason+draft Im guilty of checking espn for news.

still, a nfl scout is a different breed from all those media guys. hell, any real sports team scout is.

Yeah it went out of business- they fell behind and tried to be a dinosaur and rely on the magazine. Wasn't going to work.

 

[yseJ]

This is the FULL write up

this is much better in full, still the bottom line is garbage. manziels biggest issues arent 'working hard' and adjusting his lifestyle or being 'inspiring'. those things are non-issues.

"Overall character, leadership ability and work habits will define his NFL career" being a good/bad passer will define his career.

 

[Steezy]

 

[Trip]

this is much better in full, still the bottom line is garbage. manziels biggest issues arent 'working hard' and adjusting his lifestyle or being 'inspiring'. those things are non-issues.

"Overall character, leadership ability and work habits will define his NFL career" being a good/bad passer will define his career.

Most likely, but there's no doubt the fast lifestyle catches up to you in the league. You can get away with it in college.

 

[yseJ]

Most likely, but there's no doubt the fast lifestyle catches up to you in the league. You can get away with it in college.

does the guy in question have a history of focusing on character issues ?
just weird to see a pretty accurate report on manziels passing skills/out of pocket adventures and then in bottom line talking about character issues only. manziel doesnt even have those kinda issues, he isnt batshyt crazy, hes a white privileged douchebag party boy. he'll be fine in that regard.

 

[Trip]

does the guy in question have a history of focusing on character issues ?
just weird to see a pretty accurate report on manziels passing skills/out of pocket adventures and then in bottom line talking about character issues only. manziel doesnt even have those kinda issues, he isnt batshyt crazy, hes a white privileged douchebag party boy. he'll be fine in that regard.

He got shyt for his write up on Cam because he used the term "fake smile" which was certainly a stupid comment. He never questioned his talent though. If you actually take the time to read up on him and read his full reports, it's not nearly the biggest portion of them. The Deadspin's of the world though will pull a quote, publish it as if it defines the full write-up and beat that drum.

His write-up on Teddy Bridgewater couldnt be more positive.

If he feels there's a character concern, he doesnt hesitate to point it out. I dont see the issue tbh.